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#4125896 - 05/28/15 07:33 AM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Sobek]  
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lol, if dcs world would be usefull as a professional training simulation, there would be quite a few companies using this instead of investing hundreds of thousands dollars/euros for an actual professional simulation...yet i have not heard of any company using dcs world as a professional training tool...can you name even one to support your claim?

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#4125897 - 05/28/15 07:38 AM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Peally]  
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I work in the field and I don't really think DCS modules can be used fro real life training.
Unless we talk about VERY LIMITED and SPECIFIC kind of training.

An initial brush-off on cockpit layout may be ok, some non critical Emergency procedure training - but that's just it.

If you want to build muscle memory and speed up boldface procedures you really need the physical cockpit of a proper simulator.


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#4125900 - 05/28/15 07:45 AM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Peally]  
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^^this...anything else is whishful thinking...

#4125910 - 05/28/15 08:49 AM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Sobek]  
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Originally Posted By: Sobek
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That is because you are a developer and I am a consumer


No, i am a consumer too, but i am also a software developer (not in the game industry, god forbid) and i don't think that i payed a "premium" for anything i received from ED or their 3rd party developers. In a less schewed market, you'd be paying 4 figures for EDs products. That is what professional tools of comparable complexity cost.


Do you even know what scale of issue is. The reason 'professional' tools cost 4 figures isn't complexity, it is estimated sales. An A10C training tool would have about 100 customers max, iow, the company would only be able to sell 100 copies. There are only a few training squadrons (bases) with only a few pilots per squadron needing training at any one time. In order to make a profit , they would have to sell at 1000s of dollars per copy. With the entertainment side, they have 100,000s of customers.

#4125918 - 05/28/15 10:09 AM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: davidred]  
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Originally Posted By: davidred
lol, if dcs world would be usefull as a professional training simulation, there would be quite a few companies using this instead of investing hundreds of thousands dollars/euros for an actual professional simulation...yet i have not heard of any company using dcs world as a professional training tool...can you name even one to support your claim?


Smartgraf with "MiltiEDGE", and AVIA, Concord XXI and Aeromask with procedure, flight training and full flight simulators.

http://smartgraf.com/
http://aeromash.by/en/index.html
http://www.concordavia.com/
http://avia-ts.ua/

AVIA with a Mi-17 training simulator on April 2015 on ITEC (International Forum for the Military Training, Education and Simulation Sectors) 2015 on Prague.
https://youtu.be/CEF7K-RYb_k

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#4125922 - 05/28/15 10:30 AM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Mustang60348]  
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Originally Posted By: Mustang60348
Originally Posted By: Sobek
Originally Posted By: Johnny_Redd
That is because you are a developer and I am a consumer


No, i am a consumer too, but i am also a software developer (not in the game industry, god forbid) and i don't think that i payed a "premium" for anything i received from ED or their 3rd party developers. In a less schewed market, you'd be paying 4 figures for EDs products. That is what professional tools of comparable complexity cost.



Do you even know what scale of issue is. The reason 'professional' tools cost 4 figures isn't complexity, it is estimated sales. An A10C training tool would have about 100 customers max, iow, the company would only be able to sell 100 copies. There are only a few training squadrons (bases) with only a few pilots per squadron needing training at any one time. In order to make a profit , they would have to sell at 1000s of dollars per copy. With the entertainment side, they have 100,000s of customers.



I agree with you.

I have some doubts about 100,000 sales being achieved - maybe over a year for all modules with Steam included, my guesstimate of the business model is that there are at all times some work being done for the military market and that it has priority.

The L-39 for which there was zero demand and no one ever mentioned in our community , is attractive as there is a good market for civilian L-39, where a more complex L-39 simulator can find a market , the sudden urge to release the L-39 that doomed that crew that was doing it as well can be explained by the desire to explore that civilian & military market.

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#4125927 - 05/28/15 10:52 AM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Peally]  
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Finally got around to reading the last half dozen pages...man this thread is UGLY!

#4125935 - 05/28/15 11:13 AM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Peally]  
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I've thought about it as well.

I've posted here

http://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/327/1/DCS:_P-51D_Mustang

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not one of the "representatives" of the developer posted there.

they don't care about that, you can contribute whatever you may like to the community.

but post something they don't like !

immediately the developer's "representatives" come here to attack , in an attempt to shout us down.

They are not interested in being part of the discussions in these forums - they are here solely to disrupt members whose opinions they don't like and drive people away.

#4125939 - 05/28/15 11:26 AM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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Originally Posted By: Silver_Dragon
Originally Posted By: davidred
lol, if dcs world would be usefull as a professional training simulation, there would be quite a few companies using this instead of investing hundreds of thousands dollars/euros for an actual professional simulation...yet i have not heard of any company using dcs world as a professional training tool...can you name even one to support your claim?


Smartgraf with "MiltiEDGE", and AVIA, Concord XXI and Aeromask with procedure, flight training and full flight simulators.

http://smartgraf.com/
http://aeromash.by/en/index.html
http://www.concordavia.com/
http://avia-ts.ua/

AVIA with a Mi-17 training simulator on April 2015 on ITEC (International Forum for the Military Training, Education and Simulation Sectors) 2015 on Prague.
https://youtu.be/CEF7K-RYb_k


Based on DCS framework is NOT using DCS modules.


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#4125970 - 05/28/15 01:01 PM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Snoopy_476th]  
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Originally Posted By: Snoopy_476th
Finally got around to reading the last half dozen pages...man this thread is UGLY!



Indeed, horribly off topic and there's so much whining a preschool would be jealous. I'm requesting it be closed, I regret even starting a topic in here.


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#4125981 - 05/28/15 01:26 PM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Tom_Weiss]  
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Originally Posted By: Tom_Weiss
I've thought about it as well.

I've posted here

http://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/327/1/DCS:_P-51D_Mustang

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not one of the "representatives" of the developer posted there.

they don't care about that, you can contribute whatever you may like to the community.

but post something they don't like !

immediately the developer's "representatives" come here to attack , in an attempt to shout us down.

They are not interested in being part of the discussions in these forums - they are here solely to disrupt members whose opinions they don't like and drive people away.



Hold up, lemme go find my threads/posts that help explain module structure and how to setup your own, and delete them.


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#4125984 - 05/28/15 01:33 PM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
Originally Posted By: Tom_Weiss
I've thought about it as well.

I've posted here

http://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/327/1/DCS:_P-51D_Mustang

42 skins updates

not one of the "representatives" of the developer posted there.

they don't care about that, you can contribute whatever you may like to the community.

but post something they don't like !

immediately the developer's "representatives" come here to attack , in an attempt to shout us down.

They are not interested in being part of the discussions in these forums - they are here solely to disrupt members whose opinions they don't like and drive people away.



Hood uo, lemme go find my threads/post that help explain module structure abd how to setup your own, and delete them.


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#4125986 - 05/28/15 01:36 PM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Peally]  
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I play hockey, so it would be a puck.


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#4125987 - 05/28/15 01:38 PM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Snoopy_476th]  
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Originally Posted By: Snoopy_476th
Finally got around to reading the last half dozen pages...man this thread is UGLY!




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#4125991 - 05/28/15 01:46 PM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
I play hockey, so it would be a puck.


Meh I don't think that in these kind of threads you should give a puck.


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#4126015 - 05/28/15 02:09 PM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Silver_Dragon]  
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Originally Posted By: Silver_Dragon
Originally Posted By: davidred
lol, if dcs world would be usefull as a professional training simulation, there would be quite a few companies using this instead of investing hundreds of thousands dollars/euros for an actual professional simulation...yet i have not heard of any company using dcs world as a professional training tool...can you name even one to support your claim?


Smartgraf with "MiltiEDGE", and AVIA, Concord XXI and Aeromask with procedure, flight training and full flight simulators.

http://smartgraf.com/
http://aeromash.by/en/index.html
http://www.concordavia.com/
http://avia-ts.ua/

AVIA with a Mi-17 training simulator on April 2015 on ITEC (International Forum for the Military Training, Education and Simulation Sectors) 2015 on Prague.
https://youtu.be/CEF7K-RYb_k


well, what do they have to with ED or DCS World?...those are different companies, which probably bought into the EDGE engine...indeed, it has been repeatedly said by the ed devs, that even their graphics engine is not what we will get in dcs world...so, its something completely unrelated and definitely not dcs world or any of its modules

#4126017 - 05/28/15 02:12 PM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Peally]  
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Where do you think DCS A-10C came from?


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#4126018 - 05/28/15 02:12 PM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Johnny_Redd]  
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Originally Posted By: Johnny_Redd

LOL. "I'm not playing anymore and I'm taking my ball back"


More like calling him out on what he said.

#4126027 - 05/28/15 02:25 PM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: Peally]  
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Skate: While you are looking for your "threads/post that help explain module structure".Is it possible to attach code to a module so that when the module is spawned, a lua script is executed?

My hurdle with my SAR project was in trying to have a custom module based on a FARP object, that could be placed at a FARP, which would establish a SAR interface in the comms menu and listen for pilot eject events. I couldn't figure out how to get an object to link to lua code like that.


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#4126046 - 05/28/15 02:53 PM Re: Terrain creator tool videos [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: Tom_Weiss

They are not interested in being part of the discussions in these forums - they are here solely to disrupt members whose opinions they don't like and drive people away.


I've both flown with Skate on the unofficial SimHQ DCS servers, and I've played with him on the official SimHQ Arma 3 server. I can't say I remember things being disrupted or people driven away either time.

Community is more than sweeping generalizations on a message board.


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