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#4123701 - 05/23/15 06:22 AM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
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It sure won't be good for consumers (AMD or Intel or Nvidia) if Intel and Nvidia are the only games in town -- think astronomical prices and very slow release of new stuff. We'll see.

AMD Bankrupt by 2020?


Except the market has changed and that's no longer true. If this was 2001, yeah, it would be bad if AMD and ATI vanished.
Without them today, though, it's far more dire. People don't NEED PCs anymore. If nvidia and Intel increase prices for less improvement, the drop in sales will accelerate. They won't price themselves out of the market, since they would BE the market, they would instead DESTROY the market.

How many people would own a car if the only choices were a Ferrari and a Mercedes?
People would instead get bikes, take buses, trains, etc. Make PCs too pricey and people will just get tablets and "smart" devices for internet use and gaming. The PC is no longer the only way to do all these things.

Intel and nvidia aren't competing with AMD...they're competing with Apple, and Samsung, and LG, and HTC. If people have a choice between spending $500 on a subpar laptop or an iPad...



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Yes and no. Yes in that tablets can fill the void in some instances; no in that things that require computers/internet are much more common now than in 2001. A tablet can do things, but it is far slower and more time consuming to do the same tasks when compared to a PC. Even typing this post would take 3-4 times as long.

Same for gaming. I don't have interest in phone games and when presented with the option I tend to prefer reading something or watching youtube instead. So there really isn't a substitute for PC games, aside from consoles (which Nvidia would also make money from). Although they do make a lot less from console sales compared to discrete GPUs... so it would be in their interest not to price themselves too high.

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#4125580 - 05/27/15 02:57 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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My point isn't that PCs aren't going to not be needed at all, it's that the mass market for them will shrink away if they jack up the costs. The high end market will stay there, but when games run worse on a $400 laptop than on a $400 tablet, why would you get the laptop? Now if Intel and nvidia increase prices so that $400 laptop becomes $800, THAT will kill it.

You can get a BT keyboard for a tablet for like $70.

Don't project your own feelings about using PCs vs tablets onto the entire market and think that's how it is. In the 90s it was "grandma got a PC!" so they could use the internet and watch videos and such. Now it's "grandma got a tablet!" and the old PC from the 90s is still there in the corner for those times she needs it...she's not buying a new one unless it dies. Make the replacement cost more and she won't replace it at all.

The "good enough" performance of ARM chips on mobile devices is killing the need for the low-end CPUs. The high-end ones are still needed, yes, but there's no killer app to propel people to upgrade their 4yr old high end CPU for the latest high end CPU.

I have an i7-2600k that I run at STOCK speeds with a GTX 770. I can run pretty much every game I have, including ones from 2015, at max settings at 1080p (all the display I have room for). Games are being made largely to run on the consoles first, and the new consoles are weak compared to modern PCs. This isn't the 360/PS3 days when they rivaled PCs, MS and Sony went cheap this time.

So I reiterate--the lack of performance innovation is already here, the CPUs are "good enough" for 95% of the people so they spend more time making them power efficient than faster. AMD's competition isn't spurring Intel to do a thing about making them faster, it only keeps prices down. Should their exiting the market make Intel feel they can charge MORE for what they're giving us now...who would go for that?



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#4125601 - 05/27/15 03:44 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Latest rumor / unconfirmed is that R300 is R200 rebrands, minus GCN 1.0/Tahiti

And Fiji will be like nVidia Titan, $800ish, and Unique name.


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#4126546 - 05/29/15 05:08 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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AMD Radeon Fury Max 8GB (Fiji XT x2)
AMD Radeon Fury 4/8 GB (Fiji Xt)
*8GB Version not confirmed by AMD,
but they did announce 8 GB HBM1 w/ Dual Link Interposer

Fiji will be smaller as the Ram is on the substrate with the GPU,
it will be water cooled, 1x 120mm radiator with 1x120mm fan.
it will require 2x 8-Pin Power Connectors.
Rear I/O will be 3 DP1.2a, and One HDMI 2.0

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R9-390, 8 GB = R9-290 (Hawaii Pro)
R9-380, 4 GB = R9-285 (Tonga Pro)
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R7-370, 2 GB = R7-270 (Curacao Pro)
R7-360, 2 GB = R7-260X (Bonaire XTX)

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#4126578 - 05/29/15 07:58 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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#4127241 - 06/01/15 01:18 AM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla

R9-390X, 8 GB = R9-290X (Hawaii XT)
R9-390, 8 GB = R9-290 (Hawaii Pro)
R9-380, 4 GB = R9-285 (Tonga Pro)


This looks weird though. The 380 looks like its better than the 390(x)s, since Tonga is newer, with better tessellation and support for texture compression, plus some features supported by GCN 1.2 only, like VSR.

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#4127266 - 06/01/15 03:36 AM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Hawaii supports VSR.

Basically this line up eliminates all tahiti/GCN 1.0.

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#4127277 - 06/01/15 05:11 AM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
Hawaii supports VSR.

Basically this line up eliminates all tahiti/GCN 1.0.


What are the features that are supported only by 1.2? I remember there are a few of them.

#4127480 - 06/01/15 04:40 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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improved tessellation performance, lossless delta color compression in order to reduce memory bandwidth usage, an updated and more efficient instruction set, a new high quality scaler for video, and a new multimedia engine (video encoder/decoder).

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#4127481 - 06/01/15 04:42 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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That was a copy/paste from wiki.

Pretty sure they eliminated tahiti and gcn 1.0 cards as they didnt support vsr or freesync

Tongas minus was 2GB vs tahitis 3GB, that has changed.

But 4096 shaders using less tuan half the power of Xfired 7970s is what I want

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#4127654 - 06/01/15 11:45 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
...4096 shaders using less tuan half the power of Xfired 7970s is what I want


Agree. How much I'm willing to pay for it depends on the performance improvement over the two 7970s.


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#4127670 - 06/02/15 01:10 AM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: Allen]  
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Originally Posted By: Allen
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...4096 shaders using less tuan half the power of Xfired 7970s is what I want


Agree. How much I'm willing to pay for it depends on the performance improvement over the two 7970s.


Hopefully at least 2.6x

4096 SP of GCN 1.2 Cores (vs 4096 of GCN 1.0),

Less Power, More Efficiency etc.

4096 Bit Memory Bus, insane texture bandwidth that makes an nVidia Titan X look like an entry level card.

All on 2 8-Pin PCIe Plugs smile

$849 was the Rumored price ($799 was the rumored MSRP)

I paid $375-$400 for my Lightnings, which can be relegated to other systems. I still have the EK water block that I got for free with one.

I'd have to buy some DisplayPort to MiniDP Adapters if the Rumored I/O is correct.

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Top Card is now "AMD Radeon Fury X"

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http://hothardware.com/news/amd-flaunts-...deon-300-series

Finally some details on the prices etc.

$649 for Watercooled... Fantastic.

Gonna wait a few weeks build up my budget first.

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HBM is a huge thing. SFF PCs with dual gpu cards. Also, watercooling should get easier/cheaper now, since the memory is on the gpu, we will only need gpu waterblocks to cool them.

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In the news yesterday was that PC Gaming is skyrocketing (thanks to Steam), and Consoles are faltering.
This absolutely dovetails with new products being released.
Yay! more choices!


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Almost considering giving up my 2 x 980s for the dual GPU Fury X. They are massive, no room for my Essence STX, pump out a ton of heat and one of the coolers has developed a slight rattle. I will be giving up Gsync but with a 144Hz monitor, it shouldn't really be the end of the world.

Plus, never thought I'd say this, Nvidia's drivers has severely fallen in quality the past 6+ months. So many problems.

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I am thinking R380 at 200 bucks sounds like a simple way to replace the 2 old and crusty 5870's. I am thinking short term solution that will run with the current mobo in the box. Maybe buy 1 next month, buy another around Nov or Dec. Or do the wait and see. Maybe keep me happy for awhile and upgrade other junk as it comes along. Just not going to go all out till something way way better in the 300-350 price range. And simply don't play enough games that justify super uber right now. I guess thinking good enough for the time being. Get DX12 ready and better than what I got. Worry about the rest later down the road. I need new monitors badly! Messing with my work flow since one crapped out.

What I can say. I felt no need to upgrade until last year. But zero pressing need for what I was playing. I have never gotten 5 years on vid cards before. Was always a 2 year deal post 2000. Pre 2000 was like every year. Does that mean I am getting crusty?

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Originally Posted By: Sethos88
Almost considering giving up my 2 x 980s for the dual GPU Fury X. They are massive, no room for my Essence STX, pump out a ton of heat and one of the coolers has developed a slight rattle. I will be giving up Gsync but with a 144Hz monitor, it shouldn't really be the end of the world.

Plus, never thought I'd say this, Nvidia's drivers has several fallen in quality the past 6+ months. So many problems.



The Dual GPU Fury X is Smaller than one of my 7970 Lightnings, by at least 4 inches.

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AMD Clarifies Why It Uses Intel Core i7 In Its Project Quantum Gaming PC

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On the other hand, as noted in above in our SimHQ thread, there is still "hope" for "change" smile

With its new Zen CPU microarchitecture, ... x86 CPU market


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