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#4116646 - 05/05/15 09:40 PM Very cool read  
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If you've got some time to spare and want to read a very cool article about fighter tactics, US vs. former Warsaw Pact aircraft, etc. told first-hand by somebody who lived it then check this out:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/how...lew-1682723379

Pretty long read but a good one.

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#4116670 - 05/05/15 11:06 PM Re: Very cool read [Re: tuscan]  
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Very cool read! Thanks for posting.

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#4116706 - 05/06/15 02:02 AM Re: Very cool read [Re: piper]  
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Very cool read indeed. thumbsup

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Will the F-35's sensor fusion and low observability (stealth) allow it to overcome its lackluster maneuverability and kinetic performance against future enemies?

I can't answer this one. I can ask, "Why did they make it such a pig?"


This guy, along with his other comments, doesn't seem to think much of the F-35.


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#4116727 - 05/06/15 05:01 AM Re: Very cool read [Re: tuscan]  
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Very interesting indeed.

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With AESA radars, more effective BVR missiles, an increasingly networked battlespace, HOBS missiles and high-end sensor fusion now a reality, is the dogfight finally a relic of the past?

This has been an assumption by so-called experts since the 1950s. Unfortunately, these experts have never flown fighters and we've proven many times since that aircraft will get into the visual arena even with sophisticated BVR sensors and weapons. We build better BVR weapons and our adversaries build better radar jammers. And it goes around and around and around. Networks can be jammed and/or compromised. So yes, dogfighting is not dead.


Exactly.


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#4116824 - 05/06/15 12:23 PM Re: Very cool read [Re: tuscan]  
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It's dead until it happens again. The US hasn't been in a dogfight in 40 years. There have been BVR and WVR kills, but none qualify as dogfight.

However, it hardly matters as that's not the F-35's job. It was not a requirement for it to dogfight, so it wasn't built to do it. That's what the F-22 is for, and I can't imagine an F-35 going where enemy fighters are without either F-22 or F-15C support.
Might as well start slamming the Ford Explorer for being incapable of outracing a Porsche 911. The F-35 is a truck, not a sports car. An advanced deadly truck, but it's not meant to win races.




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#4117162 - 05/06/15 10:12 PM Re: Very cool read [Re: tuscan]  
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Great read.

#4117177 - 05/06/15 11:10 PM Re: Very cool read [Re: tuscan]  
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That was good, thanks.


"...late afternoon the Air Tasking Order came in [and] we found the A-10 part and we said, "We are going where!? We are doing what!?"

Capt. Todd Sheehy, Hog pilot, on receiving orders during Operation Desert Storm

#4155025 - 08/07/15 09:55 PM Re: Very cool read [Re: tuscan]  
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Cool read. thumbsup


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#4155104 - 08/08/15 05:27 AM Re: Very cool read [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
It's dead until it happens again. The US hasn't been in a dogfight in 40 years. There have been BVR and WVR kills, but none qualify as dogfight.
ODS - an F-15 got a maneuver kill on a Mig-29 during a dogfight (the Mig tried a split-S at too low altitude and became a lawn dart).

#4155121 - 08/08/15 09:11 AM Re: Very cool read [Re: tuscan]  
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_engagements_of_the_Gulf_War

Quite a few WVR situations during Desert Storm.


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#4155777 - 08/10/15 01:22 PM Re: Very cool read [Re: EAF331 MadDog]  
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Originally Posted By: EAF331 MadDog
Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
It's dead until it happens again. The US hasn't been in a dogfight in 40 years. There have been BVR and WVR kills, but none qualify as dogfight.
ODS - an F-15 got a maneuver kill on a Mig-29 during a dogfight (the Mig tried a split-S at too low altitude and became a lawn dart).


I don't know if I'd classify that as a dogfight necessarily. An EF-111 got one too by flying really low and fast, no one would call that a dogfight.



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