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#4097057 - 03/26/15 01:28 AM Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol  
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New Rule posted at the official BOS forums:

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18. Claiming that FM is incorrect without the required proof and starting a flame thread based on such claim is prohibited.

The form for an FM claim consists of:

short but consistent description of the claim;
link to a reference and to a specific part of such reference that describes correct behaviour of a disputed element/situation;
game track record and the list of conditions used to recreate disputed element/situation.

Not following this form in its entirety will result in locking (locking and deleting) such thread and also in the following:



Single offense - 1 days ban on entry


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#4097139 - 03/26/15 05:55 AM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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only whining, discussions with required proof are allowed smile

#4097149 - 03/26/15 07:55 AM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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It might be a good idea to let newcomers know what subjects will get them in trouble at the official BOS forum:


Flight model
Damage model
Graphics presets (don't even attempt this one under any circumstances)
Shallow Campaign
Mods mode

...ahhh screw it. It will take less time to just list what you can talk about:

How great the game is


...that's all I got. thumbsup

I think calling the BOS forum a "discussion" forum is kind of a stretch these days.


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#4097183 - 03/26/15 11:04 AM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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#4097184 - 03/26/15 11:05 AM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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Saying 'ooh' and 'aaah' and 'great work dev's' to all updates and patches will not get you banned. That's all they have to put in the rules section smile

#4097190 - 03/26/15 11:23 AM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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Lol, sad but somewhat true...


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#4097207 - 03/26/15 11:54 AM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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Yep. I noticed this post by Zak yesterday. I thought it was a joke until I checked the forum rules and it is indeed a real rule.
What a rediculous rule to inflict on a public general discussion forum.

Truly the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

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#4097330 - 03/26/15 02:23 PM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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There have been lots of FM threads in the BoS forum without any bans. As long as they don´t have an destructive agenda, they seem to be welcome.

#4097355 - 03/26/15 03:16 PM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Juergen]  
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Originally Posted By: Juergen
There have been lots of FM threads in the BoS forum without any bans. As long as they don´t have an destructive agenda, they seem to be welcome.





This is a brand new rule just created 2 days ago Juergen…FM threads will now disappear.


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#4097366 - 03/26/15 03:30 PM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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This is just like the "proof" that Starforce required people to demonstrate that their software was junk.



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#4097438 - 03/26/15 05:09 PM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: the soupdragon]  
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Originally Posted By: the soupdragon


Truly the lunatics have taken over the asylum.



As someone had said..the "BoS'pice". biggrin

#4097569 - 03/26/15 08:56 PM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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Starforce. Talk about a blast from the not so distant (the older I get) past!

Those rascally Russians. When they get an idea in their head.....


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#4097583 - 03/26/15 09:32 PM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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BoS Forum, where there will be no dissent, comrades! grrr


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#4097886 - 03/27/15 02:09 PM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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Don't forget rule 18.18--
Claiming that the rule about claiming FM is incorrect without the required proof and starting a flame thread based on such claim is prohibited is a bad rule is prohibited.



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#4097893 - 03/27/15 02:19 PM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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LOL :comradestalinsmiley:

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#4098031 - 03/27/15 06:20 PM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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In all likelihood a respectful discussion of the FM on the BOS forums would not be a problem. Unfortunately that's not the nature of forum discussions were people can insult anyone without fear of being punched in the mouth. lol That said the BOS developers are desperately paranoid trying to avoid the hate that eventually dominated the COD forums.


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#4098055 - 03/27/15 07:13 PM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Chivas]  
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Originally Posted By: Chivas
That said the BOS developers are desperately paranoid trying to avoid the hate that eventually dominated the COD forums.


And that's disappointing. First, I was disappointed by the BoS game design (not the core sim). Now I'm disappointed that 1CGS hasn't changed direction based on the reception BoS has received by both the casual gaming community (largely ignored) and the simming community (disdain for its shallow gameplay).

But instead of changing direction, 1CGS is trying to create an artificial "happiness" in their little world of the BoS forum, and that's created the most uninviting atmosphere possible. There are very few new members joining, and those that do are often gone after a few posts when they run into the 1CGS propaganda freight train. They've now created a rule where a new forum member can't simply say "Hey, this FM doesn't feel right...what do you other guys think?"

At some point something's gotta give, as the current situation is untenable in the long run for any business. You can't make customers enjoy something that they don't simply by not letting them talk about it.


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#4098077 - 03/27/15 07:45 PM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Force10]  
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I can tell them right now how to make BoS well-loved.

Sack the entire BoS team and start a new one based on some other engine with some other developer. That's what shot CloD from dud to stud overnight.

While it was still in development and BoM (the first one) was coming, its forums were a slugfest. As soon as Ilya and company were out it was like someone strangled baby Jesus whenever CloD got dissed.



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#4098093 - 03/27/15 08:07 PM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Chivas]  
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Originally Posted By: Chivas
.. discussions were people can insult anyone without fear of being punched in the mouth...

Another more sane solution could have been to ban people for insulting others rather than for creating a thread/discussion where FM would be debated without hard evidence but how they experience the flight, how it "feels".

In all honesty - has anyone seen the hard evidence for the current FM? Previous Secret Soviet Documents, yeah right.

Even DCS having extreme FM's for the P-51D made a big thing out of real life, old farts, actively flying P-51D pilots said "This is it, this is a Mustang - do not change anything". THAT's what I call verified by "feel" and not numbers.

#4098183 - 03/27/15 11:34 PM Re: Creating a thread discussing the FM could get you banned...lol [Re: Jedi Master]  
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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
I can tell them right now how to make BoS well-loved.

Sack the entire BoS team and start a new one based on some other engine with some other developer. That's what shot CloD from dud to stud overnight.

While it was still in development and BoM (the first one) was coming, its forums were a slugfest. As soon as Ilya and company were out it was like someone strangled baby Jesus whenever CloD got dissed.



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I know one thing is that we would never had Team Fusions optimization of COD if it weren't for the years of work put in by Oleg's, and Ilya's development team. Its also very telling that some of the only people who've given credit to COD developers, are the Team Fusion members who have optimized it. Its so easy for many of us to sit back, and wave our fingers with contempt, when we know nothing of the difficulties that went into creating probably one of the most complex WW2 sim ever created.

I don't like some of the decisions the BOSS developers have made, but I don't have to deal with all the issues that demand they set different priorities. If given enough time, there is still a good chance the BOS developers will fix any number of the issues it currently has.


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