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#4096025 - 03/24/15 12:35 PM Re: So when did movies drop those stupid ricochet effects? [Re: Security_Device_Enclosed]  
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Well, shooting the MG-3 is quite fun, but you should make sure that you find someone else to carry gun as well as ammo around for you.
We once let some Americans shoot it, and they were kind of ambivalent; mostly because they didn't press themselves properly against the stock and got their shoulders hurt a bit...

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#4096076 - 03/24/15 02:16 PM Re: So when did movies drop those stupid ricochet effects? [Re: Security_Device_Enclosed]  
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The Mg-3 impressed me the way it barked and kicked, and despite that was mighty precise.
Loved it compared to the "meh" of our own Short Carbine, the Beretta Sc 70/90.
(Even our "Minimi" just didn't deliver such a feeling...)
Luckily it was just for familiarization as there was this huge boy that before enlisting was a Lumberjack assigned to it.
Should have seen the guy. His nickname was Eclipse. well over 1.90 m and as broad as a barn door.

He also had such a stamina that despite having the Mg3 and half the ammo he never was over a step behind the NCO when marching.

:/

It took a while for the some in the Company to keep effectively up.


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#4096084 - 03/24/15 02:22 PM Re: So when did movies drop those stupid ricochet effects? [Re: Security_Device_Enclosed]  
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Kind of like how so many films have tires squealing when cars turn corners or hit the gas...even when they're clearly NOT on pavement but are on dirt, mud, or grass!



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#4096218 - 03/24/15 06:16 PM Re: So when did movies drop those stupid ricochet effects? [Re: Security_Device_Enclosed]  
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I think fistfights and hand to hand combat are generally the worst form of fight choreography that even modern cinema still has trouble catching up with reality- probably because reality is too clumsy for the screen. Everything else has improved in modern films, but fisticuffs or sword duels and things like that- still very theatrical.

#4096223 - 03/24/15 06:19 PM Re: So when did movies drop those stupid ricochet effects? [Re: Security_Device_Enclosed]  
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If they were half realistic we wouldn't have people showing up at gun ranges expecting exploding gas tanks, giant muzzle flashes, and people that are automatically 100% knowledgeable because they managed to grow male genitals.

Couldn't have that, no sir!


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#4096239 - 03/24/15 06:29 PM Re: So when did movies drop those stupid ricochet effects? [Re: Security_Device_Enclosed]  
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#4096241 - 03/24/15 06:29 PM Re: So when did movies drop those stupid ricochet effects? [Re: Mechanus]  
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Originally Posted By: Mechanus
I think fistfights and hand to hand combat are generally the worst form of fight choreography that even modern cinema still has trouble catching up with reality- probably because reality is too clumsy for the screen. Everything else has improved in modern films, but fisticuffs or sword duels and things like that- still very theatrical.

A few films have gotten it right IMHO. The Bourne series always had very visceral and realistic looking hand to hand combat.

Some of the older tv shows like Star Trek: TOS and Babylon 5 had terrible fight choreography but I still love them. biggrin


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#4096244 - 03/24/15 06:31 PM Re: So when did movies drop those stupid ricochet effects? [Re: Security_Device_Enclosed]  
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Those are cleanly into the realm of "so bad they're amazing"


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#4096482 - 03/25/15 12:20 AM Re: So when did movies drop those stupid ricochet effects? [Re: Security_Device_Enclosed]  
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Personally, I think the most realistic fight in movie history was when Jonah Hill and Diddy punched each other's fists in "Get Him to the Greek."

What irks me about most movie fights isn't the poor choreography, but rather the beatings people take and remain on their feet, ready to fight some more.


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#4096485 - 03/25/15 12:25 AM Re: So when did movies drop those stupid ricochet effects? [Re: Security_Device_Enclosed]  
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How about when they get thrown through a window and get up like it was nothing?

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#4096490 - 03/25/15 12:35 AM Re: So when did movies drop those stupid ricochet effects? [Re: Security_Device_Enclosed]  
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Most of those hits if they land as square as that would do things like break noses or an orbital bone (let alone the fragile bones in the human hand)- those are serious and could be life threatening.

However, the hits themselves are telegraphed and often look show camera angles that make them look dramatic- especially like in Rocky films, the windup comes for a long time, and then, "Pmfh" Risin' up, back on the street. Did my time, took my chances

Some of the worst knockouts I've seen it didn't look like the punch landed so accurately, almost looks like a glancing blow that you would assume would not do that. I'll never forget one fight I witnessed- a smaller guy hit a bigger guy on the ear. From my vantage point, looked like he barely clipped him, the big guy just crumpled.

Nevertheless, in movie fights, it's either a one hit knockout, or guys keep fighting for a long time with these amazing, accurate punches.

#4096778 - 03/25/15 02:12 PM Re: So when did movies drop those stupid ricochet effects? [Re: Security_Device_Enclosed]  
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I don't care to specify what happened, but I've been in a couple fistfights.

Unless one is constantly sparring (I was just training in martial arts) you, well... I, feel always like you're not going to do any harm. And thus use too much force.
In any case, what Mechanus said- a fist in more than enough to drop nearly anyone.

There was a TV series where the main character ended up with his head on the ground and beaten on the cheekbone with a battle rifle no less than 10 times. Amazingly he ended up with some skin cuts on said cheekbone.

jawdrop

At least I always walked away standing.


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