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#4092657 - 03/16/15 11:13 AM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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Great! Thanks, Jim - I only knew the first one.
Nice to have them in this quality!
Does anyone else think the same as me - that this is a good looking fighter craft?
I'd love to see this plane in WOFF one day!


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#4092660 - 03/16/15 11:26 AM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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That SE5 has a four-bladed prop. All the pictures and drawings I have seen show a two-bladed prop. Did this one have a special engine - maybe the RE8 engine in a prototype? (The RE8 had a four-bladed prop that I know).


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#4092662 - 03/16/15 11:46 AM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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The number of blades on a SE prop depended on the engine type.
As a general rule the later SE's with the better engines had the 4 blades prop.
That's from memory so I can't tell tou exactly what engine type started it.

And Olham...and SS DIII first!

#4092703 - 03/16/15 01:13 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Originally Posted By: DukeIronHand

And Olham...and SS DIII first!



#4092708 - 03/16/15 01:23 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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Originally Posted By: JFM
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Hmm, those guys sit pretty high in the cockpit in those...must have been even colder than usual!


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#4092709 - 03/16/15 01:24 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JimAttrill]  
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Originally Posted By: JimAttrill
That SE5 has a four-bladed prop. All the pictures and drawings I have seen show a two-bladed prop.


Two-blade versions:






#4092729 - 03/16/15 01:41 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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Hey Jim that last photo of A8904 SE5 is one of the early versions with a big windscreen that the pilots didn't like at all. The fabric at the pilot's area also looks a bit scruffy. It also has the fuel header tank above the wing which was not used in the SE5a. Nice photos most of which I have never seen before!

(I especially liked the one of the aircraft with a radial water-cooled engine mounted fore-and-aft with gearing to outboard props. Looks like a disaster waiting to happen).

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#4092731 - 03/16/15 01:44 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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Duke, only ca. 80 Siemens-Schuckert D.III were built, which is an almost irrelevant number.
They came to front service in January 1918, but after only short time they had to be withdrawn
because of heat problems, due to bad lubricant oil quality.
They were re-introduced in July 1918.
Their climb was said to have been better than that of any other aircraft of that period,
which made them perfect interceptors. But with 80 planes, they did not play any important role.

On the other hand, 353 Roland D.VI were made and served in many units - this type might much
rather be a plane to complete the German fighters in WOFF.

Here is by the way a test report of a D.VIb from 1920. In the pilot notes it says, that the
Roland D.VI showed a similar performance like the Fokker D.VII (!).

Roland D VIb Test Report from 1920


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#4092733 - 03/16/15 01:44 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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Interesting photo that one of A8904 - I think it was maybe on a concrete ring for a 'compass swing'? Otherwise what would the ring be for?


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#4092738 - 03/16/15 01:47 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Originally Posted By: Rick_Rawlings
Hmm, those guys sit pretty high in the cockpit in those...must have been even colder than usual!

I had seen a cockpit picture of the last remaining Roland D.VI in Poland.
There it looked as if the seat might have had different arrest-positions - maybe higher for taxiing?
After all, the angle of the fuselage is much steeper than on the Albatros for example.


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#4092756 - 03/16/15 02:08 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: Olham]  
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Originally Posted By: Olham
Duke, only ca. 80 Siemens-Schuckert D.III were built, which is an almost irrelevant number.
They came to front service in January 1918, but after only short time they had to be withdrawn
because of heat problems, due to bad lubricant oil quality.
They were re-introduced in July 1918.
Their climb was said to have been better than that of any other aircraft of that period,
which made them perfect interceptors. But with 80 planes, they did not play any important role.

On the other hand, 353 Roland D.VI were made and served in many units - this type might much
rather be a plane to complete the German fighters in WOFF.

Here is by the way a test report of a D.VIb from 1920. In the pilot notes it says, that the
Roland D.VI showed a similar performance like the Fokker D.VII (!).

Roland D VIb Test Report from 1920


Agree 100%. Important planes first, marginal stuff later. And on that scale, even the Roland D.VI is not all that important! smile

I say - Breguet 14 and Salmson 2! (Really important planes!) smile


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#4092760 - 03/16/15 02:11 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: Olham]  
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Originally Posted By: Olham
Duke, only ca. 80 Siemens-Schuckert D.III were built, which is an almost irrelevant number.
They came to front service in January 1918, but after only short time they had to be withdrawn
because of heat problems, due to bad lubricant oil quality.
They were re-introduced in July 1918.
Their climb was said to have been better than that of any other aircraft of that period,
which made them perfect interceptors. But with 80 planes, they did not play any important role.

On the other hand, 353 Roland D.VI were made and served in many units - this type might much
rather be a plane to complete the German fighters in WOFF.

Here is by the way a test report of a D.VIb from 1920. In the pilot notes it says, that the
Roland D.VI showed a similar performance like the Fokker D.VII (!).

Roland D VIb Test Report from 1920


Geez Olham...don't muddy the waters with facts, historical truths, and other relevant data.
This is about aeronautical beauty.

#4092766 - 03/16/15 02:27 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: Hasse]  
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Originally Posted By: Hasse

I say - Breguet 14 and Salmson 2! (Really important planes!) smile





#4092817 - 03/16/15 04:29 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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I´d love to see some colourful Hannover CL.IIs and maybe a W29 with interesting markings....

#4092852 - 03/16/15 06:08 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: ArisFuser]  
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Originally Posted By: ArisFuser
I´d love to see some colourful Hannover CL.IIs and maybe a W29 with interesting markings....













#4092855 - 03/16/15 06:17 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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Wow, the Hansa-Brandenburg seaplanes... - Hauksbee will be happy, when he sees these!


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#4092863 - 03/16/15 06:39 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: Olham]  
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Originally Posted By: Olham
Wow, the Hansa-Brandenburg seaplanes... - Hauksbee will be happy, when he sees these!

Amen to that! More H-B's! And one from me...


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#4092864 - 03/16/15 06:45 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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Thanks JFM, once again, you prove to be a gold mine.

#4092894 - 03/16/15 08:11 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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I like that plane!

#4092900 - 03/16/15 08:31 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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Float planes are something I would love to see added to WOFF.


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