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#4092308 - 03/15/15 03:36 AM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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Very interesting. I've noticed on many SE5 series scouts,the doped fabric is very wrinkled on the bottom. Is there a reason for that?


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#4092342 - 03/15/15 09:01 AM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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Rick you are a bit of a mind reader...and obviously the photo here got us both thinking. And this particular bird is not unique in that.
A certain factory? Older aircraft?

I am going to go with a imperfect field repair. Maybe that's why the pilot seems to have a scared look on his face!

#4092361 - 03/15/15 11:38 AM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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May I ask for Baumer in Pfalz DVII, JFM? Or any interesting Pfalz DXII?

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#4092366 - 03/15/15 11:48 AM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Originally Posted By: DukeIronHand
Rick you are a bit of a mind reader...and obviously the photo here got us both thinking. And this particular bird is not unique in that.
A certain factory? Older aircraft?

I am going to go with a imperfect field repair. Maybe that's why the pilot seems to have a scared look on his face!


My understanding of this noted issue with many of the SE5s was due to the fact that the control cables ran inside the fuselage. As these cables needed regular adjustment via the turnbuckles, and as the only way to get to said turnbuckles to do this was to unlace the fuselage side panels, the repeated unlacing and re-lacing process left the sides wrinkled. If I am in error about this I am sure someone more knowledgeable will correct me.

And Jim, great photos Sir, many thanks again for sharing your collection with us.

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#4092368 - 03/15/15 11:53 AM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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That makes a hell of a lot of sense.
Lou, is there anything you don't know about these birds?

#4092369 - 03/15/15 11:55 AM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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#4092375 - 03/15/15 12:10 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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#4092377 - 03/15/15 12:23 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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#4092388 - 03/15/15 01:16 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: ArisFuser]  
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Originally Posted By: ArisFuser
May I ask for Baumer in Pfalz DVII, JFM? Or any interesting Pfalz DXII?


I don't think I have Baumer with the Pfalz DVII, unless it's buried deeper than I'm looking, but I have one with a Pfalz D.VIII. But, I'll just address them all.

First, Pfalz D.VII.



Next, Baumer:



His Pfalz D.VIII:



Pfalz D.XII:


#4092402 - 03/15/15 02:20 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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Great stuff, thanks Jim!!!


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#4092404 - 03/15/15 02:40 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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Great stuff indeed!
Anyone know what the ribbon is for on Baumer's chest?
Got a pretty good handle on the British ones but the German mix and match of ribbons and medals always leaves me scratching my head a bit. Not that this photo is that tricky. Pilots badge and IC 1 I believe are the badges. IC 2 is always a button ribbon? I love period photos and the men and aircraft. Always learn something.
Lou? I think medals are your area too.

#4092406 - 03/15/15 03:10 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Originally Posted By: DukeIronHand

Anyone know what the ribbon is for on Baumer's chest?

I guess they are the ribbons for the EK I and EK II ?
But not sure.


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#4092419 - 03/15/15 03:49 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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Great pics JFM, thanks a lot!!

#4092430 - 03/15/15 04:24 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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#4092436 - 03/15/15 04:54 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Originally Posted By: DukeIronHand
Great stuff indeed!
Anyone know what the ribbon is for on Baumer's chest?
Got a pretty good handle on the British ones but the German mix and match of ribbons and medals always leaves me scratching my head a bit. Not that this photo is that tricky. Pilots badge and IC 1 I believe are the badges. IC 2 is always a button ribbon? I love period photos and the men and aircraft. Always learn something.
Lou? I think medals are your area too.


That photo of Paul Bäumer appears to be from before he was awarded the Pour le Merite as he is not wearing it. The ribbons on his tunic are for the EK2, (not always worn as a buttonhole ribbon), and the Goldene Militär-Verdienst-Kreuz, or Gold Military Merit Cross, Prussia's highest award to an NCO.

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#4092438 - 03/15/15 05:07 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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I say: Caudron R 11 (love the beast) ?


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#4092442 - 03/15/15 05:19 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Originally Posted By: RAF_Louvert
Originally Posted By: DukeIronHand
Great stuff indeed!
Anyone know what the ribbon is for on Baumer's chest?
Got a pretty good handle on the British ones but the German mix and match of ribbons and medals always leaves me scratching my head a bit. Not that this photo is that tricky. Pilots badge and IC 1 I believe are the badges. IC 2 is always a button ribbon? I love period photos and the men and aircraft. Always learn something.
Lou? I think medals are your area too.


That photo of Paul Bäumer appears to be from before he was awarded the Pour le Merite as he is not wearing it. The ribbons on his tunic are for the EK2, (not always worn as a buttonhole ribbon), and the Goldene Militär-Verdienst-Kreuz, or Gold Military Merit Cross, Prussia's highest award to an NCO.

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I must need glasses. I see only one ribbon.

#4092445 - 03/15/15 05:32 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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You need glasses - there are two. smile

The Iron Cross and the Golden Military Merit Cross have the same black and white ribbons. Actually the same B&W ribbon was also used for wartime awards of the Hohenzollern Order and the Red Eagle Order.

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#4092446 - 03/15/15 05:33 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: JFM]  
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They are close next to each other, like medal ribbons are still today.
What looks like one, are two.


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#4092452 - 03/15/15 05:53 PM Re: OT: You Say/I Say [Re: dutch]  
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Originally Posted By: dutch
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R.VI




R.VIII




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