#4092340 - 03/15/15 08:54 AM
Re: Another WOFF moment...
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Oh I use the TAC for navigation purposes. As we discussed in another thread trying to go "full real" for navigation is not very practical IMHO.
EDIT: Good lord...grammar
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#4092383 - 03/15/15 12:49 PM
Re: Another WOFF moment...
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...I have been simming for a whole lot of years and there are things that happen in WOFF you just don't see in any other sim. Man this game is cool (...) and it's the only game that gives me these "Wow" moments.
That is all very fine, Duke, and I couldn't agree more; but mind you: WOFF is NOT a game! ...
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#4092418 - 03/15/15 03:46 PM
Re: Another WOFF moment...
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Sorry sir you are correct. It's a lifestyle I reckon...and a state of mind! Couldn't agree more. We should note that the acronym DID doesn't just mean "Dead is Dead." According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-V), DID means "dissociative identity disorder," more commonly known as multiple personality disorder. It is "characterized by at least two distinct and relatively enduring identities or dissociated personality states that alternately control a person's behavior, and is accompanied by memory impairment for important information not explained by ordinary forgetfulness." Sums up the WOFF DID experience nicely, doesn't it?
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#4092423 - 03/15/15 04:14 PM
Re: Another WOFF moment...
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Sorry sir you are correct. It's a lifestyle I reckon...and a state of mind! Couldn't agree more. We should note that the acronym DID doesn't just mean "Dead is Dead." According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-V), DID means "dissociative identity disorder," more commonly known as multiple personality disorder. It is "characterized by at least two distinct and relatively enduring identities or dissociated personality states that alternately control a person's behavior, and is accompanied by memory impairment for important information not explained by ordinary forgetfulness." Sums up the WOFF DID experience nicely, doesn't it? Trust you to figure that out Raine, and so aptly put!
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#4092824 - 03/16/15 04:35 PM
Re: Another WOFF moment...
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Well, we are, after all, "Barmy". Forget the technical diagnosis!
@Wolfstriked - Well, yeah, I've done that type of dead reckoning, but that was my question - how do you do it with a pretty extensive cloud layer below? Even better, how did THEY do it? 'Way back on my younger days I learned about wind triangles & a more-or-less "I've flown at this speed for this much time at this heading, so I should be here..." sort of thing, but I can't imagine that working too well while you're trying to fly these beauties. Busdriver or some of the other pilots on here might recall the circular slide rules that they used to have for this purpose. They may have had similar devices back then, I don't know; but it seems more like you said - get below the clouds, or peep between them, find a recognizable landmark, and head home!
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#4093095 - 03/17/15 12:46 PM
Re: Another WOFF moment...
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You know, I've flown enough for my job that I have a game I play on the way home - "how far from Pittsburgh can I recognize where I am?" And even being a very directionally-able person, and having lived here all my life, and having taken the same approaches over and over again, I'm often surprised at how close we have to get before I can figure it out. Or, as in one trip coming from the east, I recognized a town about 4 hrs. drive away, and was following the landmarks, and got screwed up again about halfway home due to some clouds. It's just different looking from the air, so I know what you mean.
I guess at least in an open cockpit you'd have a wider field of view than out an airliner window!
But Duke's leader apparently took them up above the clouds. And I guess if you got separated from your flight, the only practical thing is to get below the clouds (and hope they haven't turned to fog...) and try to figure out where you are. Situational awareness is paramount, eh?!
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#4093114 - 03/17/15 01:49 PM
Re: Another WOFF moment...
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You know, I've flown enough for my job that I have a game I play on the way home - "how far from Pittsburgh can I recognize where I am?" And even being a very directionally-able person, and having lived here all my life, and having taken the same approaches over and over again, I'm often surprised at how close we have to get before I can figure it out. Or, as in one trip coming from the east, I recognized a town about 4 hrs. drive away, and was following the landmarks, and got screwed up again about halfway home due to some clouds. It's just different looking from the air, so I know what you mean.
I guess at least in an open cockpit you'd have a wider field of view than out an airliner window!
But Duke's leader apparently took them up above the clouds. And I guess if you got separated from your flight, the only practical thing is to get below the clouds (and hope they haven't turned to fog...) and try to figure out where you are. Situational awareness is paramount, eh?! The one thing that would worry me as a pilot in those times, is flying in a landscape that is devoid of much civilization (far canadian north, desert country in Africa, etc.) There is not much in the way of roads, rails, or towns to take a bearing on and being of a couple of degrees in a long flight could put you way of the destination mark. I give those bush pilots a tremendous amount of credit especially in the early days when topo maps were not so detailed.
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#4095946 - 03/24/15 09:38 AM
Re: Another WOFF moment...
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Looks like a common screenshot, but this one reminds me of the time I escorted my wounded wingman back to base while I struggled to fly just above stalling speed. One thing I noticed on this mission is that this wounded AI plane would keep circling the base and not land. Then I landed first and kept the sim running for about 30 minutes, but it did not land. Interesting. I will watch this in the future. I know when the AI suffers a mechanical failure they head to the nearest friendly aerodrome presumably to land. Guess I never paid attention after that. Now with no aids I will really have to watch - literally. Never escorted a damaged plane back - nice touch sir!
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#4095964 - 03/24/15 10:40 AM
Re: Another WOFF moment...
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... I landed first and kept the sim running for about 30 minutes, but it did not land.
Were you the flight leader? In that case you could have tried the "Land here" command. But normally they do land in the same field anyway, when they are so close with you.
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#4095984 - 03/24/15 11:34 AM
Re: Another WOFF moment...
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... I landed first and kept the sim running for about 30 minutes, but it did not land.
Were you the flight leader? In that case you could have tried the "Land here" command. But normally they do land in the same field anyway, when they are so close with you. Yeah, that is odd behavior.
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#4096079 - 03/24/15 02:16 PM
Re: Another WOFF moment...
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Well, we are, after all, "Barmy". Forget the technical diagnosis!
@Wolfstriked - Well, yeah, I've done that type of dead reckoning, but that was my question - how do you do it with a pretty extensive cloud layer below? Even better, how did THEY do it? 'Way back on my younger days I learned about wind triangles & a more-or-less "I've flown at this speed for this much time at this heading, so I should be here..." sort of thing, but I can't imagine that working too well while you're trying to fly these beauties. Busdriver or some of the other pilots on here might recall the circular slide rules that they used to have for this purpose. They may have had similar devices back then, I don't know; but it seems more like you said - get below the clouds, or peep between them, find a recognizable landmark, and head home! In a nutshell. By the seat of their pants. Can't remember the book but 2 Britishers on a night mission were coming back from a bombing mission in the dark and clouds obscured the ground. They flew until the pilot was sure he was back over the lines and dropped below the clouds to see where he was. Not knowing the wind had changed and his airspeed was a lot slower than he figured, when he dropped down and saw a field he landed. Much to his horror he noticed he was at a German field. Took back off before anyone could do anything and made it back. I use Lou's maps on another small monitor. Open it with paint and plot my flight plan. "MY" plan, not the sim flight plan.Once in the air I use "shiftW" to change the waypoint to the target. How I get there is my buisness. I have been lost plenty. Not as much now but when I started flying by maps on a cloudy or snowy day it happened more than I like to admit. For me it is just one more step in immersion that I would not do without. As others have stated, if you live long enough, you learn landmarks and can find your way. After a furball and chase, finding myself alone I look at the map and say "I should be about here", if I go northwest I should see this city, then go south. It works. Mind you, flying an early Nieuport without a compass is a whole new can of worms. My flights are usually with British Squads as I like there planes and love chasing the colorful Huns. I will admit that I take off, fly to the front, pause, get up and walk around to let my bones loosen up, go back and fly the patrol, then depending on how long I have been in the saddle, might fly back to base or pause again after crossing back over the front, then head to base. My body cannot sit for an hour at a time.
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#4096143 - 03/24/15 03:41 PM
Re: Another WOFF moment...
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Thank you, MFair, then it's pretty much like I figured. And I agree - it adds to the immersion. I love the guy landing at an enemy field - figure you're probably ready to soil yourself at the time, trying to get out of there in the fastest manner possible, but in a few years you may find it hilarious!
I don't have a second monitor, so I wonder they'd mind me using the plotter here at work?
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Exodus
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