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#4086023 - 03/01/15 10:19 PM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Well Mudwasp it "looks like your saw is bigger then mine."
I got more power though!



What are you running?
I use a 20" most of the time on that saw. Pic was with a 28".

I've ported it, to let her breathe better, what a screaming beast of a machine it is.
It is a 441 magnum.

#4086030 - 03/01/15 10:31 PM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Sorry. Another poor attempt at humor ala "...I see your Schwarz is almost as big as mine." Bonus points for the movie name.
Anyway I am a propane guy with small scale stuff to get wood for the fireplace mainly for ambiance.
My two pals are big into cutting but they got more time on their hands. If the house is cold put more clothes on

#4086039 - 03/01/15 10:42 PM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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I thought I read somewhere that HG had stole some other fliers confirmed kills, much like in the "Blue Max ".

I also thought that Udet knew about it and his elevation the the LW was a kind of blackmail.

I might be completely off base, but I am pretty sure I read that somewhere about 30-40 years ago.

#4086045 - 03/01/15 10:50 PM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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You can fell and cut in winter.
Bonus is least moisture in the tree.

Go for an ash tree.
A pleasure to split with an axe.
The ash comes from the bark. It will fall off in time.
But if you are hard up for winterfell, ash is the way to go.

#4086047 - 03/01/15 10:54 PM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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It is best to have eough, but sometimes life goes different.

#4086071 - 03/01/15 11:19 PM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Isn't Ash kind of a stinky wood when burned?

And Sturmriger I did read that 17 (or was it 18) of his kills were definitely confirmed by British records but, interestingly, he had to lobby hard to get the PLM.

#4086079 - 03/01/15 11:46 PM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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No, it is good on odor, cherry is the one I find distictive.
Not offensive, but easy to recognize from a sniff of smoke.

Now Oak stinks of foot odor or locker room odor, especially the white oak. That is from a nose wood working them. From the chimney, not so bad.

#4086080 - 03/01/15 11:53 PM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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I love reving up the 441, it pulls to the left free in hand, reminds me of a Fokker E series.

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#4086083 - 03/02/15 12:08 AM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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What I read is that they were confirmed kills, but not his and he took credit for them.

#4086089 - 03/02/15 12:27 AM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Ah. Am not sure about that.
I tend to tune out when he is the subject. But based on everything else I would hardly be surprised.

#4086170 - 03/02/15 05:44 AM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Kilduff's research in Allied archives confirmed 18 of Göring's victories. He didn't stole them from anybody - the German system of confirming kills was strict, much more so than the British one.

It's just an example of one of the lies and legends surrounding Göring. It's understandable, but not the way history should be written.


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#4086175 - 03/02/15 06:40 AM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Honestly I put much more faith in the Germans' accounts of claims and kills than the Brits, with Billy Bishop being a particularly infamous example.

#4086199 - 03/02/15 09:54 AM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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With 90% (?) of the combat being over German territory I am a quite tolerant of the British claim system - both in actual practice and for morale reasons of the flyers themselves. Following your opponent down to confirm your kill over enemy territory was rarely a good idea with the AA and the need to recross the lines against the wind and you didn't have the option to drive from your aerodrome to the site, sipping champagne, to confirm your crash. Or to land next to it and remove a souvenir. And to wax philosophical, in combat terms, is the death of the pilot or absolute destruction of the aircraft the only way to measure a victory in the air? If I force the enemy away by my actions and this allows the two-seaters to complete their mission who has won?

Has anyone (I am sure somebody has) done a comparison of British claims vs actual German losses? Obviously the British numbers will be higher but not every British claim (or awarded victory) is a "decisive" victory as in WOFF terms.
"Out of control" and "forced to land" we're considered legitimate claims and awarded as such. The enemy has been rendered combat ineffective therefore I win...

#4086210 - 03/02/15 11:20 AM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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I read that Göring was unpopular with his pilots because when leading he was too aggressive and lost more pilots than the previous leaders who only fought when the odds and height etc were in their favour. I only wish I could remember where I read that.


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#4086229 - 03/02/15 12:01 PM Re: Kinda OT: Why was Goering placed in charge of JG1? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Related to my post above Olham posted this link in another thread.
Very interesting read.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_victory_standards_of_World_War_I

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