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#4084895 - 02/27/15 03:59 PM Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts?  
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Had this desktop for about 4 years now. Not a pile of junk yet so would like to stretch out its life for a bit longer and thinking maybe a RAM upgrade will help short term. I mostly play DCS, IL-2, and a few older games so upgrading it to run next years COD is not required, but I guess if it can be done Im all ears. Here are specs and a couple of RAM sticks I was looking at. I am very computer illiterate so, hope you guys can help me out here.

My specs
Intel core i5 760 @ 2.80 GHz (4 cpu)` 2.8 GHz
ASUStek P7P55D-E LX motherboard
4 GB DDR3 RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460

Any other info you need just ask. My ideas for RAM are:
http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-PC3-12800-240-Pin-BLS2KIT4G3D1609DS1S00/dp/B006WAGGUK/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1425051840&sr=1-2-fkmr0&keywords=8GB+kit+%282GBx4%29+DDR3+PC3-12800+Unbuffered+NON-ECC+1.5V+256Meg+x+64

or

http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/p7p55d-e-lx/CT2850097

They look the same to me, but one is $103 and the other is $60. So computer dumb me is confused. Thanks for all your help. Any advice or things to do or stear clear of, please feel free to let me know.


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Intel i7 4790K
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#4085016 - 02/27/15 06:56 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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One is 4 2GB sticks, the other is 2 4GB sticks. There's no reason to get 4, get just a pair. They probably sell them that way on Crucial's site, too, but Amazon will probably be cheaper.



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#4085026 - 02/27/15 07:12 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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Thanks Jedi, appreciate the call there. Yeah I was looking more at amazon simply because they seem cheaper and since I have a trial version of Amazon prime free 2 day shipping is kind of nice.

Actually found these on amazon and judging by my long comparing process on crucial I believe these should are compatible with my system. Might go with these, thoughts?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006YG9CQC/ref=...=I1EOI7VTUGJZFE


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Nvidia GeForce GTX 970
#4085203 - 02/28/15 12:11 AM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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I would look into Overclocking the cpu.. it will give you some more speed for little money, you may need to get a good aftermarket cooler for the CPU then OC the CPU a bit..


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#4085907 - 03/01/15 06:33 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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Ive never overclocked anything, since I don't really consider myself computer smart I would never know if I am overheating the mobo to the point of no return.


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Nvidia GeForce GTX 970
#4086070 - 03/01/15 11:17 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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Originally Posted By: LC
Ive never overclocked anything, since I don't really consider myself computer smart I would never know if I am overheating the mobo to the point of no return.


Well that is one way of getting more mileage out of an older pc.. if you don't want to OC then maybe time for an upgrade..


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#4086125 - 03/02/15 02:25 AM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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Looking online looks rather simple. How do I know if after I attempt it if the CPU is getting too hot and to shut it down back to different settings?


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#4086157 - 03/02/15 04:41 AM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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ok here is a good guide check this thread nad post any questions:


http://www.overclock.net/t/858385/the-i5-760-oc-club


Now if you are using the stock cooler try not to go too high.. hard to say what the limit is but when you run Intel burn Test and Also Real Temp to monitor the temps you will find out real fast..



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#4086402 - 03/02/15 06:18 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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Originally Posted By: LC
Thanks Jedi, appreciate the call there. Yeah I was looking more at amazon simply because they seem cheaper and since I have a trial version of Amazon prime free 2 day shipping is kind of nice.

Actually found these on amazon and judging by my long comparing process on crucial I believe these should are compatible with my system. Might go with these, thoughts?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006YG9CQC/ref=...=I1EOI7VTUGJZFE


Those look good, but you might want to go to ASUStek's site and check your mobo's memory compatibility list. There will be a long list of modules that were tested as working fine. Those may not be on the list, but maybe you can find a few on the list that would be good for you then do a search for online to see if they're being sold for a decent price.

While any RAM might work ok, there's always a chance for instability if the RAM wasn't tested by the OEM on that board.



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#4086442 - 03/02/15 07:26 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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Thanks for all your help gents. Jedi as you can tell with the two topics Ive posted Im really trying to get all I can out of this machine to help with DCS. Sorry all the dumb questions as I am complete newbie at doing anything to the computer that doesn't involve the words "right click and you are done".

Totally appreciate all the tips.


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Nvidia GeForce GTX 970
#4086674 - 03/03/15 04:16 AM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: The Nephilim]  
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Originally Posted By: The Nephilim
Originally Posted By: LC
Ive never overclocked anything, since I don't really consider myself computer smart I would never know if I am overheating the mobo to the point of no return.


Well that is one way of getting more mileage out of an older pc.. if you don't want to OC then maybe time for an upgrade..


I agree with your advice. The OP should do like I did--get a completely new system. I became tired of my five-year old i7 920 with 12GB of 1333MHz RAM, Nvidia GTX 580 3GB, and 1920 x 1200 display. I normally upgrade after four years, but waited five this time. That's too long. Upgrade.


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#4086890 - 03/03/15 03:52 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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I would LOVE a new system, but unfortunately looking to buy a house, and three kids under 7 limits my spending ability at the moment. My plan is to look into building my own system sometime so I can get better at understanding how everything works in there a bit better. But I think that's probably still a year away frown


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16 GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce GTX 970
#4087133 - 03/03/15 08:29 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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I'm looking to buy a new house come July and believe me the requirements are ridiculous nowadays. I just walked into my first house in 2001 with little trouble when my wife and I made less than we make now. Granted this house costs 3x more biggrin but we've got a ton of equity in the old one. The hoops and regulations and conditions imposed now is ridiculous...why? So they can SELL your mortgage. They don't even pretend to want to keep it anymore. Your mortgage has to be packaged as a reliable product to be resold to investors, so the new rules mandate stupidly rigorous rules that are still irrelevant in the big picture (because no matter what you can still get laid off tomorrow). rolleyes

My advice is to spend as little as possible, yes, to make it look like you have tame spending habits. I was going to upgrade my PC this spring...now I'm waiting till the fall AFTER the move!



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#4087247 - 03/03/15 11:14 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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Oh boy tell me about it Jedi. This will be my first house purchase if it goes well. I've been renting for so long because even though I make good money, much of it was tips (I'm a bartender) now I finally have a management job for a Municipal (city owned) bar that give me full time government benefits etc so I finally look like I have a "real" job. Even if I am making less now as well.

Oh well, I'll definitely be getting a new rig here sometime within the next year or so. If all goes according to plan. smile


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#4087468 - 03/04/15 01:50 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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I had an Intel core i5 750 @ 2.66 GHz before I upgraded a few months ago. Your system should easily OC to 3.5Ggz with out overheating and without increasing the voltage.

My old 750 ran at around 3.8 or 3.9Ghz it's whole life which was about four years until I retired it.

#4087605 - 03/04/15 05:30 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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Looking at videos of people fiddling with the bios screen to overclock it makes my stomach churn lol I am so computer dumb, that screen looks like the first time you see another language in school. I also don't have anything to tell me how hot the machine is running and how hot too hot is. So much I don't know that it scares me to even attempt it even if it is easy.

Knowing if I screw up and fry the system means without a computer for at least a year is another scary thought in my mind. I'll keep watching videos for a while about it, maybe I'll feel more comfortable later, but I don't know if I want to risk it when the RAM gave me a scare yesterday smile2


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#4097400 - 03/26/15 04:02 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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The CPU is still vey good, most CPU's for the last 6 years be they Intel or AMD are good enough for most thing including gaming. IMO the best things you can do is upgrade memeory, but th most important is a good grahics card. The grahics cad is more important.

#4097459 - 03/26/15 05:42 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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I agree with Fevriul, your CPU is still good.

You don't actually have to do any manual overclocking since your Asus MoBo comes with software called TurboV which has an "auto-tune" function for automatic overclocking.
My MoBo (see specs below) came with similar software. Basically, all it does is start with the factory standard settings, increases them by a small increment, tests stability and if stable proceeds with another incremental increase. This simply automates what overclockers do manually. I used to OC manually, but after trying the Asus software I haven't bothered anymore (in fact, in most applications I was not CPU-bound so I backed down from the OC limit it was capable of).
I understand that you're leery of frying your CPU, but I found that the Asus software is quite conservative and will stop as soon as there is the slightest stability issue.
Here is the excerpt from the manual:
TurboV autotuning
Its a very easy way to get extra performance without spending a dime on new hardware.

I also agree with Fevriul that if you cannot afford a whole new rig, then you should buy a new GPU. Your GTX 460 is getting very long in the tooth.
At the moment there is better value with AMD's offerings (imo), but if you prefer NVidia, then I'd recommend the GTX970. Yes, it will set you back about $350, but you'll be able to take it out and swap it into your new computer when you do get around to upgrading.

Finally, imo you are fine with 8GB of RAM. 16GB is unlikely to make any difference at all.


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#4102506 - 04/07/15 03:58 AM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: LC]  
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I also think upgrading the RAM and graphics card will probably give you the most performance for the cash spent. You've got a solid system that should still serve you well for the next year or two. Personally I prefer Crucial because of their neat little program you download and it will tell you exactly what RAM they have that is compatible with your computer and will give you options with graphs to show what performance gain you'll benefit from. I've used Crucial to purchase RAM on 5 computers and have never had an issue with their products.

Don't blame you on the hesitation about overclocking the CPU (I'm not into overclocking either, don't want to have the headache of keeping track of temperatures and run the risk of frying the cpu).

With regard to building your own computer, you could definately do it. I took the plunge a couple years ago and decided to build my own system and it was SO worth it. I'll never go back to buying a pre-assembled computer. I started exactly how you are right now, just upgrading RAM, and then you'll upgrade your graphics card, etc. Each step you learn more and get more confident. Just keep asking questions, no matter how silly you think they are, and pretty soon you will know all you need to about building a computer! It really is pretty straight forward.

In addition to the SimHQ forum, I found http://www.tomshardware.com/ to be VERY helpful. Sign up for their forums and ask away, lots of really knowledgeable people and all very willing to hlelp.

#4102590 - 04/07/15 12:00 PM Re: Debing on CPU upgrade, thoughts? [Re: Cold_Gambler]  
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Originally Posted By: Cold_Gambler
I agree with Fevriul, your CPU is still good.

You don't actually have to do any manual overclocking since your Asus MoBo comes with software called TurboV which has an "auto-tune" function for automatic overclocking.
My MoBo (see specs below) came with similar software. Basically, all it does is start with the factory standard settings, increases them by a small increment, tests stability and if stable proceeds with another incremental increase. This simply automates what overclockers do manually. I used to OC manually, but after trying the Asus software I haven't bothered anymore (in fact, in most applications I was not CPU-bound so I backed down from the OC limit it was capable of).
I understand that you're leery of frying your CPU, but I found that the Asus software is quite conservative and will stop as soon as there is the slightest stability issue.
Here is the excerpt from the manual:
TurboV autotuning
Its a very easy way to get extra performance without spending a dime on new hardware.

I also agree with Fevriul that if you cannot afford a whole new rig, then you should buy a new GPU. Your GTX 460 is getting very long in the tooth.
At the moment there is better value with AMD's offerings (imo), but if you prefer NVidia, then I'd recommend the GTX970. Yes, it will set you back about $350, but you'll be able to take it out and swap it into your new computer when you do get around to upgrading.

Finally, imo you are fine with 8GB of RAM. 16GB is unlikely to make any difference at all.


+1 to both the 970 (I can personally vouch) and the auto OC. I used Asus auto-OC software for my setup, and have a nice stable clock at 4.2 GHZ. Took less than half an hour of fiddling when I set the rig up smile

I'll also point out that a new CPU cooler will help a lot with getting a great OC and prolonging the life of your components. The coolermaster Hyper 212 is considered the go-to for affordable cooling without breaking the bank. You have to spend $100+ to beat it. And it's another product I can personally vouch for smile

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065


A new GPU, decent OC on your CPU, and the Ram upgrade you just did should see you sitting pretty for another couple years.


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