i might get told off for this post but.

Unlocks be #%&*$#. As an Offliner, what I want is the robust historical campaign I was promised, Where I can pick a squadron and fly with my wingmen through a historical campaign. What happened to that?
I don't care about online servers or point scores or stupid #%&*$# thunderbird badges. I just want what was promised to me when I purchased the Game.

I apologise for the swearing but I've just about had enough. Next Gen IL2 my arse.
SD

BC has just sorted him... good move.

I've just been perusing the threads over there. Relaxing with glass of Jack Daniels Tennessee Honey, and it's quite amusing stuff.
(the thread, not the Jack Daniels) Makes me wonder just what age groups are involved.
If we can't all behave like grown ups, what's the point?

With guys like Veteran66 making missions...it will come..we've got a parser of sorts all third party stuff...what concerns me....is will we be able to put up greater numbers of aircraft and have a stutter free environment with smarter AI and standalone commands that help create that unit kind of feeling. Right now....I feel alone out there, the AI commands are sparse..when they do work....and the feeling of being on the Eastern Front....just isn't there to the degree of any real sense of imminent freaking danger...It's like having one Game Warden in the county and knowing exactly where he is.....you just hunt all the other places....10 enemy planes...and 5 or so of them being bombers or attack aircraft....just doesn't put a chill in my bones....

To bad BoS wasn't there in the 60`s, the US government wouldn't have to use LSD on its military personnel since BoS clearly makes people see things that isn't there.

Yeah,the guys 12th post....gives a whole new meaning to the "Dirty Dozen". BC is taking him into the checking station right about now.

This is what concerns me.

If the same limits are present in bos as in rof, then I think we will never see large scale dogfights with lots of ground action.

The constant push back of the fmb makes me wonder if they know it and are trying to hold it back as long as possible to minimize the fallout.

Its early yet. The IL-2 user friendly FMB allowed the community to make missions, campaigns that were the life blood of the original IL-2 series, and that took time. A user friendly FME will the life blood of the BOS series. It remains to be seen if the BOS development can deliver.

Personally I think combat flight sims have become too complex for small development teams to deliver all the content required in a timely manor. I would like to see developers concentrate on delivering user friendly tools to the community to help flesh out a decent sim. I don't think its possible to do all this for free anymore. Personally I wouldn't have a problem seeing some type of split compensation for the developer/modder considering how complex, and time consuming decent content is.

Had that been a post from a critic then it would simply disappear, but in this case the post remains in edited form so it can continue to give it's overall meaning.

"I'm not interested in working with people who want to make payware missions. I'm interested in working with people who want to make apps to manage free mission content from users who want to make cool historical type missions. Similar to what pat did with PWCG. This is the only way the community will get the kind of extremely detailed campaigns and missions they want. The answer has to come from the community like it did with the original IL-2. Our mission technology can be used to make some great stuff as Pat did. And we did a payware Campaign with ROF. Been there and done that. Mixed results. Desastersoft people approached us in the beginning, but it was not a good match for a variety of reasons.

Jason"


To me it translate into: We are not interested, however talented people are, if it costs us anything.

TY... BTW... I like that Wild Turkey Honey..



No that is not it at all bongo. Perhaps that may have been the case a few months back that is not the case today.

I have just chosen to not hide/delete threads as in the past (it never was a good idea to do that as far as I was concerned.. which was why I rarely if ever did it but at the time I was not the only active mod on the English boards) and since of late I have been the primary active moderator on the BoS English board I can do what I think best without having others come behind me. There is no grand conspiracy... no plot to punish the evil critics and reward the overly emotional fans by letting their posts stay intact because boys will be boys.. It is as I said it was in another post.

That is all it is.

Two English speaking moderators read that thread after that post was made and one of them after I had reported it, in my opinion and experience of that forum I can't say that kind of post would have lasted as long if it had come from one of the BoS critics

Edited to change the word fan to critic

In regards to the unlock's it's good that they have finally given in and taken them away for gold members but it should really be for anyone who paid silver or gold, they have paid enough already dont try and lure them into buying extra planes just to unlock items that should be available to them already.

Some of the children were in their late 40s.

I can't believe this is the "big" news. BFD. The campaign is still stupid, boring, and lifeless. Unlocks are the least of the problems.

What a waste.

Agree

When we did not get what we thought we were going to get ---- next gen Il-2

And they did not deliver some of the things they said they would at release --- Good SP Campaign, FMB

And they keep kicking the can down the road on what really matters

It begins to look more and more like a they are stalling for time to fix the limitations of the sterile environment that is on display in the SP Campaign....or...it can't be fixed and this is just one long drawn out con to get more sales before everyone realizes that the DN engine will never support the activity required to remotely portray the battlefield they sold the game on.

The unlocks and presets are mindless and stupid....but the prospect of a perpetually sterile and limited environment is not something they can afford to admit without dealing a death blow to this title from all but the most blinkered fans.

I am glad they are beginning to acquiesce to the wishes of their customers. That is the first positive indication I have seen from these devs since all this uproar began. I applaud them for finally taking an action to address the concerns of their customers.

I remain hopeful that one day I may be able to enjoy this game, but that hope is dwindling. I can only speak for myself, but what I want from the devs is a change that makes me want to put this back on my machine and give it another try. Taking away the unlocks is not that type of change.

I'm glad the unlocks are going away for some of us( sucks for the rest or those that have unlocked it all).I said it from the time the unlocks came out.."when the sales fall off we will see the unlocks go away". Told you so
What the Dev's should have said in the update...
Dear pilots,
We are aware that the unlocks were not popular or a good decision on our part. We have removed them and are now going to focus on the single player campaign, adding more slots to the MP servers to 64, and returning the graphic settings to you to tailor it to your PC so you may run this game as best as your PC can.
Honest and to the point would win them back a few customers I think.

Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.

I think it is a good first step, but that is all it is - a first step.
It still needs a much better campaign system, and I find it hard to believe they can't just go in and tweak the one that they have.

I will probably finally update the game and go in and play the campaign a little, but I know like the QMB, I will likely bore of that quickly. I have done and continue to do, too much great SP flying in both TF Cliffs and IL-2 1946.

It is a long way from being a true successor to the IL-2 Series.
If they would work on that dang campaign for the single players, and get rid of the graphics presets, it would be a good start. But as alluded to by others, can the DN engine really handle what it truly needs...

Time will tell I guess.

Yeah Don, good first step. I hate single player stuff, I got as far as unlocking the lagg, IL2, some of the JU-87 and some of the 111 and I stopped. Level 5 pilot and I just couldn't take it anymore. Groundhog day got to me so I went back to MP in TFCliffs and a little '46 with my buddies.

Now that we got rid of the unlocks maybe we can have our presets back too! Only sales will tell.

I have been away due to work , But this is Very Good news for me !
It gives me some hope for the future of this game and I look forward to seeing what can be created with the FME this spring.



Dez