#4071000 - 01/29/15 03:53 AM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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It would be very narrow-minded for someone who is a fan of the F-16 to not buy a DCS version just because they are a BMS fan. For the life of me I can't understand why it has to be an either/or proposition with DCS and BMS.
It's not like there are a ton of modern jet flight sims out there, you know?
But sadly, I do agree with the posters that say that the BMS fans would be fairly critical of a DCS Falcon, and I don't know how many would play both sims. I do, but I don't know that that carries over to the majority.
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#4071012 - 01/29/15 04:30 AM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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Maybe DCS doesn't have a military-equivalent deal for the F-16 like it apparently has for the F/A-18 and had for the A-10C? Do they have a military contract for the Hornet? That'd be news to me, certainly if it was for the US military since the legacy is on its way out.
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#4071029 - 01/29/15 05:27 AM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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Maybe DCS doesn't have a military-equivalent deal for the F-16 like it apparently has for the F/A-18 and had for the A-10C? Do they have a military contract for the Hornet? That'd be news to me, certainly if it was for the US military since the legacy is on its way out. ED hasn't officially said so either way.
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#4071030 - 01/29/15 05:32 AM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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I'd in my experience most definitely say yes (series really started in 1995) but yeah most definitely M'eh, most of that community vs community stuff is overblown, its generally a vocal minority with ulterial motives causing a fuss, most reasonable adults don't take issues with others because they enjoy one sim or another more than their own preference...
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#4071043 - 01/29/15 06:32 AM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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DCS A-10C is more complex than BMS-Falcon.
Exactly why I would love a DCS quality version! .. Apples and Oranges. DCS is a airframe simulator while Falcon4 is an air warfare simulator and with that DCS A-10C is is more complex than BMS F-16C-40 would be a more appropriate comparison. Overall I would actually say BMS is more complex than DCS.
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#4071123 - 01/29/15 12:51 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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Maybe it's the fact that a F-16 Study Sim has already been done. Plus people already go nuts about the lack of a Dynamic campaign just imagine a F-16 without a dynamic campaign...OH the horrors!!!!!! But as Skate said I want to fly CAP in an F-16 supporting squad members working ground targets in the A-10C with choppers on standby to launch if AJ aircraft is shot down. I can't do that in BMS. You can fly CAP in a F-15C right now. While it isn't as deep as the BMS 16, it gets the job done. Once the DCS F-18 comes out you can fly pretty much the same missions as the BMS 16 but with two engines!! That two engine part is pretty big on my book lol.
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#4071155 - 01/29/15 01:44 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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I still think the whole "we can't access to enough stuff to make our preferred 95% accurate version" excuse is lame. Make a damn 80%/FC3-level version. Update it later if you can, if not then at least you have it at 80%! Make the super-accurate versions for planes you can get that info for, if you can't, fudge it, simplify it, make it up!
Bonus: 80% takes a lot less time to make, too! Flesh out DCS World with planes at a rate of more than 1 per presidential administration!
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#4071177 - 01/29/15 02:12 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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I still think the whole "we can't access to enough stuff to make our preferred 95% accurate version" excuse is lame. Make a damn 80%/FC3-level version. Update it later if you can, if not then at least you have it at 80%! Make the super-accurate versions for planes you can get that info for, if you can't, fudge it, simplify it, make it up!
Bonus: 80% takes a lot less time to make, too! Flesh out DCS World with planes at a rate of more than 1 per presidential administration!
The Jedi Master For as many people that might agree with you, there are just as many (if not more) that will settle for nothing less than A-10C quality/complexity...
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#4071179 - 01/29/15 02:15 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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It's just a choice they made, and they have certain reasons for it. You can just as well ask a 3rd party for an FC3 level Viper I still think the whole "we can't access to enough stuff to make our preferred 95% accurate version" excuse is lame. Make a damn 80%/FC3-level version. Update it later if you can, if not then at least you have it at 80%! Make the super-accurate versions for planes you can get that info for, if you can't, fudge it, simplify it, make it up!
Bonus: 80% takes a lot less time to make, too! Flesh out DCS World with planes at a rate of more than 1 per presidential administration!
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#4071254 - 01/29/15 04:02 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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I still think the whole "we can't access to enough stuff to make our preferred 95% accurate version" excuse is lame. Make a damn 80%/FC3-level version. Update it later if you can, if not then at least you have it at 80%! Make the super-accurate versions for planes you can get that info for, if you can't, fudge it, simplify it, make it up!
Bonus: 80% takes a lot less time to make, too! Flesh out DCS World with planes at a rate of more than 1 per presidential administration!
The Jedi Master To add to the two above its one reason I'm not too interested in pursuing an FC level Super Hornet. Quite frankly Coretex has spent a few years on it and it's clicky so if I got the interest I'd go full 6DOF because that's what the community wants, not a non-clickable jet. On one hand it'll get it out the door quicker but after the A-10C and eventually Hornet... nah the community wouldn't go for it. And the Viper wouldn't be an exception.
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#4071270 - 01/29/15 04:13 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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There is not a home-PC made that could run a 1:1 representation of flight, let alone combat aviation.
80% is fine.
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#4071275 - 01/29/15 04:22 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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Legacy Hornets were going to the Marines and Reserves weren't they?
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#4071290 - 01/29/15 04:46 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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There is not a home-PC made that could run a 1:1 representation of flight, let alone combat aviation.
80% is fine. Oh true, but if you look at the VRS Super (which I've played with) its a real good representation of the aircraft (and I'll get back into it when a Steam version is available) and is fully clicky. These days with even just the Fishbed being clicky people like that level of realism. Granted I could get it done within (if my plans for world domination work) roughly... six to nine months at the FC level? That's a bit of a stretch but SkateZilla has been helpful in figuring out how to do it. The hardest part would be finding a good AFM coder as opposed to a scratch Viper model, which given the capabilities of most people I've known over the years, would be a snap. The other hard part would be the simple radar/avionics coding. So even without an A2G mode (which I'm not sure if the Viper even has given the years I've known of the aircraft, but I'm a TGP addict myself) and various updates it's feasible, but not impossible. And given the reputation, good or bad, of F4 virtual pilots an FC level aircraft is not going to fly well (no pun intended... somewhat). So it can be done, but the clickiness would be expected and it would push it to a good year or so, but then again you have to consider EDGE and other new patch updates and other coding stuff that ED may/may not release.
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#4071353 - 01/29/15 06:54 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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Legacy Hornets were going to the Marines and Reserves weren't they? They're still a part of any active-duty air wing, especially as the F-35 is still having so many issues.
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#4071358 - 01/29/15 06:57 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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Also the US are not the only ones using legacy hornets.
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#4071369 - 01/29/15 07:13 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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Legacy Hornets were going to the Marines and Reserves weren't they? They are still in some active squadrons but my understanding is they're not getting much as far as hours. They'll (eventually) be phased out by the F-35 and Super Hornets. One thing I'm curious to see is how full "DCS quality" fighters, such as the Hornet, play with the FC3 quality ones like the F-15. I'm interested to see whether the enhanced systems give an advantage to a user that knows the systems or if it ends up being a hindrance.
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#4071405 - 01/29/15 07:58 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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#4071408 - 01/29/15 08:00 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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They'll give you an advantage. Even if you don't make full use of them, you'll have an advantage. On the other hand, an F-15 will always out-range the bug's little radar, and it will always out-climb and out-accelerate and out-top-speed the bug, so in BVR, the eagle should always have the upper hand ... even though everyone's lobbing slammers. One thing I'm curious to see is how full "DCS quality" fighters, such as the Hornet, play with the FC3 quality ones like the F-15. I'm interested to see whether the enhanced systems give an advantage to a user that knows the systems or if it ends up being a hindrance.
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#4071411 - 01/29/15 08:01 PM
Re: Where is the DCS F-16?
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Legacy Hornets were going to the Marines and Reserves weren't they? They are still in some active squadrons but my understanding is they're not getting much as far as hours. They'll (eventually) be phased out by the F-35 and Super Hornets. One thing I'm curious to see is how full "DCS quality" fighters, such as the Hornet, play with the FC3 quality ones like the F-15. I'm interested to see whether the enhanced systems give an advantage to a user that knows the systems or if it ends up being a hindrance. I'll abuse F-15Cs all day, hit them with guns, force them to land, then lob a maverick at them, lol
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