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#4112631 - 04/28/15 02:01 AM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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They did that with the 200 series too,
290/290x was new 280,285, 289x etc minus the lower spec one that was tue new gpu, they were all tahiti rebrands.


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#4112779 - 04/28/15 12:46 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Ok...so does that mean the 370 will be a former 280 which was a former 190 which was... explode




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#4112826 - 04/28/15 01:50 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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370x and 370 Will likely be rebrands of 290x and 290

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All of them are just rebrands of ATI's Wonder MDA/CGA from 1986

#4112895 - 04/28/15 04:17 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Excavator Module vs Zen x86 Core:

According to leaked slide of Zen x86 core,


1 Master Fetch Per Core instead of Shared Among 2 Integer Cores
1 Master Decode Unit Per Core Instead of Shared over 2 Integer Cores

1 Large Integer Scheduler Instead of 2 Small Ones
1 Large FP Scheduler instead of A small FP Scheduler shared over 2 integer cores.
6 Pipelines w/ L1 cache Per Integer Core vs 4 Per Integer Core
2 FMAC Units @ 256-Bit each per Integer Core, vs 2 FMAC Units @ 128-Bit each shared over 2 Integer Cores
1 MMX Unit Per Integer Core Vs 1 MMX Unit shared over 2 Integer Cores.
L2 Cache Dedicated 512kb Per Integer Core vs 1MB L2 shared across 2 Integer cores.

*512Kb L2 / core was based off the rumored specs.

Should be a significant improvement in FP and Scheduling alone.

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#4113264 - 04/29/15 02:41 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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2016 Mid and Performance Roadmap:

Zen x86 will use:
FM3 Socket
14nm Process
4 core Blocks w/ 8MB of L2 per Block 512KB of L1 per Core

Performance CPUs:
1st Generation Zen Cores "Summit Ridge"
14nm, FM3
Up to 8 Zen Cores (2x 4 core blocks), 16 threads
No GPU Units

Desktop/All In One APUs:
1st Generation Zen Cores "Bristol Ridge"
14nm, SoC, FM3
Up to 4 Zen Cores (1x 4 Core Block), 8 Threads
GCN Compute Units (Unknown Unit Count)


Lower Level will be 2cores and use similar setup as Beema APUs, uses FT4 BGA socket.

Server Level CPUs will feature 16cores 32 threads, unknown socket.


Next Weekend, expect the floodgates to Open.


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#4117033 - 05/06/15 06:08 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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NDA Ends tomorrow, AMD Analyst day is today, press conferences all day,

So Far:
-AMD Skybridge CPU is cancelled (ARM / x86 Hybrid Core)
-SoI, mobile, tablet and low end is out
-Gaming, APUs, High Performance Cioe is Priority
-Invested in x86, ARM and APIs
-GPUs to finally be formally announced today.

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#4117070 - 05/06/15 07:24 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Zen to offer 40% Increase over Excavator clock for clock.
AM4 platform will support CPUs and APUs

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#4117113 - 05/06/15 08:10 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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As my own company recently decided, low margin mass production is where you must compete almost exclusively on price and rewards are small.

By concentrating on higher margin lower volume products overall revenue takes a slight hit, but profitability increases.



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#4117413 - 05/07/15 03:15 PM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Pretty much all the 390x rumors confirmed,
-4096 SP GCN 1.2, Double the performance/watt of GCN1.0 (Tahiti)
-HBM and GPU stacked on Single Interposer.
-Water Cooled Version is small form factor (no fans, very short)

FX CPUs:
-Up to 8 cores for consumer, 40% IPC over Excavator
-New cache system
-CPu and APU use the Same Socket (AM4)
-14nm FinFET
-AM4 to support DDR4, USB 3.1 Etc

(Excavator is about 5% higher than Piledriver, so about45% in IPC Alone Puts it around Haswell, then add in the SMT and Chache revamp, DDR4 etc, should be a nice lil chip)

Waiting for specs on AM4,

There are new AM3+ boards out with USB 3.1..


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#4117740 - 05/08/15 10:10 AM Re: The Future And Current Status of AMD... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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AMD seems on the right track. I look forward to the next FX architecture. Its an excuse to upgrade (for now, FX9590 does "everything" I need while running at stock speeds).

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I dont think Jim has ever had a bad Arch. He left AMD after stomping Intel throgh Athlon64, then junp a round through broadcom, and Apple.


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From reading their recent news, it sounds like AMD will focus more on the high end CPU/GPU market where they have been losing to Intel/Nvidia and stop wasting their time with the low/mid end which they have been winning but has small profit margins.

I know you guys are diehard AMD enthusiasts and will buy AMD either way, but as a neutral PC gamer who cares most about the best bang-for-the-buck high end stuff, I'm glad to hear it because it's been a while since AMD had high end products that attracted my value/performance attention compared to Intel/Nvidia and I want more competition in the high end market.


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Intel should be concerned, Jim's last 3 chips he designed for AMD spanked Intels counterpart, when they werent supposed to.


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Now pundits showing even more concern over AMD product life cycle and new product introduction delays.

Of course, bankruptcy does not necessarily mean "out of business". Rather, the stock holders lose virtually everything and the creditors lose a lot. Then, the business can potentially start fresh or continue -- by different means (after being bought out at fire-sale prices for example).

Or, they could simply cease to exist.

AMD needs to do everything correctly and on-time for the next few years.

It sure won't be good for consumers (AMD or Intel or Nvidia) if Intel and Nvidia are the only games in town -- think astronomical prices and very slow release of new stuff. We'll see.

AMD Bankrupt by 2020?


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R9-390X and Zen will predict their outcome,

R9-300s are going to be priced significantly higher than past GPUs.

Zen if benchmarks hold up, will be priced significantly higher than past APU/CPUs


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Originally Posted By: Allen


It sure won't be good for consumers (AMD or Intel or Nvidia) if Intel and Nvidia are the only games in town -- think astronomical prices and very slow release of new stuff. We'll see.

AMD Bankrupt by 2020?


Except the market has changed and that's no longer true. If this was 2001, yeah, it would be bad if AMD and ATI vanished.
Without them today, though, it's far more dire. People don't NEED PCs anymore. If nvidia and Intel increase prices for less improvement, the drop in sales will accelerate. They won't price themselves out of the market, since they would BE the market, they would instead DESTROY the market.

How many people would own a car if the only choices were a Ferrari and a Mercedes?
People would instead get bikes, take buses, trains, etc. Make PCs too pricey and people will just get tablets and "smart" devices for internet use and gaming. The PC is no longer the only way to do all these things.

Intel and nvidia aren't competing with AMD...they're competing with Apple, and Samsung, and LG, and HTC. If people have a choice between spending $500 on a subpar laptop or an iPad...



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...Except the market has changed...


Agree, the future is complex.

On one hand, less competition at the high end means higher prices and less choice "at the high end". Higher prices mean less sales overall "at the high end".

Moreover, significant (visible, feel-able) performance improvements are technically harder to achieve with each new hardware generation.

So, the market might just stabilize at a given performance level -- with steadily decreasing prices (after accounting for inflation) -- but "no reason for an enthusiast to be enthusiastic" and no economic reason for Intel and others to "push performance".

Most folks will be happy with the readily available, cheap, fun devices. However, the days (or at least, years) of "do it yourself" hardware hobbyists may be numbered. I'm already to the point that nothing currently on the market intrigues me because I know I won't notice the improvement over what I have. And, I'm not sure that will change in the next couple years. That happened decades ago with automobiles. I used to do all my own work and be interested in the new models. Now I buy a new car every 10 or 12 years and don't do a lick of work on them.


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If Zen flops, then AMD will likely allow themselves to be purchases and lose their x86 license from intel.

Samsung wanted to buy them earlier, which would move all resources to ARM.

AMD will likely try and same their GPU Division by Jettisoning it before they go out though.


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