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#4056750 - 12/28/14 04:53 AM AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean  
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"Flight QZ8501 lost communication with Jakarta’s air traffic control at 7:24 a.m. Singapore time, about an hour before it was scheduled to land in Singapore"

lets hope it's somehow not as tragic as it looks and that they find them at least

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia...ry.html?hpid=z1


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#4056782 - 12/28/14 10:13 AM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Haggart]  
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BBC is reporting that the flight requested a change of altitude up to 38000FT due to bad weather.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30614627


Originally Posted By: BBC
The missing jet had requested a "deviation" from the flight path due to bad weather, AirAsia said.

Indonesia's transport ministry said the pilot had asked permission to climb to 38,000 ft (11,000m) to avoid thick cloud.

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#4056784 - 12/28/14 10:22 AM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Haggart]  
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#4056796 - 12/28/14 11:26 AM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Haggart]  
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I don't believe that survival at sea after an airplane going down is too common. I can't even remember a time when anyone was found alive after a civilian airplane disappeared from all contact.

#4056950 - 12/28/14 10:28 PM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Haggart]  
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#4056974 - 12/28/14 11:50 PM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Mechanus]  
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Originally Posted By: Mechanus
I don't believe that survival at sea after an airplane going down is too common. I can't even remember a time when anyone was found alive after a civilian airplane disappeared from all contact.


It's rare, but there have been survivors when all contact is lost.... here are a couple off the top of my head.

1997: Korean Air 801 at Guam.... a perfectly good aircraft (Boeing 747) flew into a hill while on approach to landing. aka CFIT (controlled flight into terrain). Surprisingly 26 survivors of 254 crew and pax

1995: American Airlines 965 at Cali, Colombia... much went wrong with this accident. B757 flown into a mountain. 4 survivors (initially 5) of 163 crew and pax.

1993: Asiana Airlines 733 at Mokpo, Korea... another CFIT accident. 48 survivors of 116 total crew and pax.

One thing these types of accidents have in common is they were on approach to landing. Flying relatively slow and low- ish. The impact is "less" severe (well, any impact in a commercial aircraft is severe) as opposed to something breaking up at altitude (30+ thousand feet) and at high speed.

One notable accident... Japan Airlines 123 in 1985. A Boeing 747 lost its entire vertical stabilizer. The pilots were able to wrestle it down and somewhat control the crash. 4 survivors out of 524 crew and pax. It was amazing the crew was able to control the aircraft for 30+ minutes as no subsequent flight crews were able to replicate it in simulators. I think the longest replicated time was 10 minutes.


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#4056979 - 12/29/14 12:01 AM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Haggart]  
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But his point was survival at sea.


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#4056987 - 12/29/14 12:13 AM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Haggart]  
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Exactly- survival at sea. That's a different thing. Chances of both survival and rescue are worse.


#4056993 - 12/29/14 12:31 AM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Mechanus]  
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Originally Posted By: Mechanus
Exactly- survival at sea. That's a different thing. Chances of both survival and rescue are worse.



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#4057599 - 12/30/14 11:24 AM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Haggart]  
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Looks like they found the spot. BBC is reporting 40 bodies pulled from the water.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30630330

Tragic but at least the families will get closure unlike the missing Malaysian flight.

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#4057955 - 12/31/14 03:50 AM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Haggart]  
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...and the plane of an Air Asia daughter company (AA Zest) overshot the runway, also in heavy weather. No casualties, fortunately.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/airasia-zest-jet-overshoots-runway-ends-up-stuck-in-mud/


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#4057968 - 12/31/14 04:31 AM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Chaz]  
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Originally Posted By: Chaz
Originally Posted By: Mechanus
I don't believe that survival at sea after an airplane going down is too common. I can't even remember a time when anyone was found alive after a civilian airplane disappeared from all contact.


It's rare, but there have been survivors when all contact is lost.... here are a couple off the top of my head.

1997: Korean Air 801 at Guam.... a perfectly good aircraft (Boeing 747) flew into a hill while on approach to landing. aka CFIT (controlled flight into terrain). Surprisingly 26 survivors of 254 crew and pax

1995: American Airlines 965 at Cali, Colombia... much went wrong with this accident. B757 flown into a mountain. 4 survivors (initially 5) of 163 crew and pax.

1993: Asiana Airlines 733 at Mokpo, Korea... another CFIT accident. 48 survivors of 116 total crew and pax.

One thing these types of accidents have in common is they were on approach to landing. Flying relatively slow and low- ish. The impact is "less" severe (well, any impact in a commercial aircraft is severe) as opposed to something breaking up at altitude (30+ thousand feet) and at high speed.

One notable accident... Japan Airlines 123 in 1985. A Boeing 747 lost its entire vertical stabilizer. The pilots were able to wrestle it down and somewhat control the crash. 4 survivors out of 524 crew and pax. It was amazing the crew was able to control the aircraft for 30+ minutes as no subsequent flight crews were able to replicate it in simulators. I think the longest replicated time was 10 minutes.


2014 had the one Airline that hit the rear of the plane on the embankment before the runway and go skidding down the runway with people falling out of the back.


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#4058252 - 12/31/14 08:25 PM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Haggart]  
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Which one was that? It sounds like the SFO crash in 2013.

#4058484 - 01/01/15 12:12 PM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Haggart]  
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#4058487 - 01/01/15 12:16 PM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Haggart]  
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#4059287 - 01/03/15 03:56 PM Re: AirAsia A320 With 155 Passengers On a Flight from Indonesia to Singapore is Lost Over the Ocean [Re: Haggart]  
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BBC is reporting four large objects have been spotted. Also they are reporting that Air Asia didn't have official permission to fly the route theyes flew.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30664604


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