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Yes.. It's gorgeous. Hard to stop panning around the exterior views long enough to learn all the stuff... BeachAV8R
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#4054411 - 12/22/14 09:32 AM
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Trap that thing, sailor!!! I wanna see a carrier landing! My first attempt was...uh..not fit for consumption. My second attempt went better, but was still unacceptable. With the Tomcat, I think you have to have very strict attention to the centerline of the carrier. My second landing I survived, but was pretty far right and probably over the right "foul line"... These were manual landings at probably too high of weights too. Also, I haven't started using some of the Aerosoft tools that help with lineup and stuff yet.. The carrier comes with the package. Very, very nice... And yes, that is probably an "A" Tomcat, but you can toggle the Sparrowhawk type HUD if you want it... BeachAV8R
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#4054518 - 12/22/14 02:45 PM
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#4054695 - 12/22/14 10:07 PM
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Trap that thing, sailor!!! I wanna see a carrier landing! My first attempt was...uh..not fit for consumption. My second attempt went better, but was still unacceptable. With the Tomcat, I think you have to have very strict attention to the centerline of the carrier. My second landing I survived, but was pretty far right and probably over the right "foul line"... These were manual landings at probably too high of weights too. Also, I haven't started using some of the Aerosoft tools that help with lineup and stuff yet.. The carrier comes with the package. Very, very nice... And yes, that is probably an "A" Tomcat, but you can toggle the Sparrowhawk type HUD if you want it... BeachAV8R Very nice shots! And yeah, IIRC Even aerosoft was saying that you're in for a tough time if you don't use the Turkeys auto-throttle system on landing. I would think this goes double for the A model, which is very prone to compressor stalls (which Aerosoft models btw!), so you have to be real careful about last minute digs to get back on the ball.
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#4056380 - 12/27/14 01:37 AM
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Got it, it's a magnificient beast!! I managed to trap it on second landing, but was way off the center line, and should have been a bolter. The Turkey has A LOT of inertia when you're slow, damn...
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#4059247 - 01/03/15 12:58 PM
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Chris, I guess you use autothrottle for the carrier landing? I found it waaaaaaay much easier with them activated. I also have a recurring problem, with the plane beginning to roll almost out of control at speeds approaching or over mach 1, do you also have this issue?
Edit: never mind the snap rolls issue, it was caused by hypoxia, I forgot to put the O2 mask!
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#4059259 - 01/03/15 01:30 PM
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Chris, I guess you use autothrottle for the carrier landing? I found it waaaaaaay much easier with them activated. I also have a recurring problem, with the plane beginning to roll almost out of control at speeds approaching or over mach 1, do you also have this issue?
Edit: never mind the snap rolls issue, it was caused by hypoxia, I forgot to put the O2 mask! The plane lands just fine with manual throttle, but you must think of power corrections as discrete additions or subtraction of energy. If you put in a power correction and leave it there, you will over control it. And that's pretty much just like landing any carrier jet. Deacon
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#4059272 - 01/03/15 02:54 PM
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Hi Deacon,
Yup, roger that. If I remember correctly what I gathered in the Aerosoft manual, you pretty much summed up what they are telling. That's funny, I never had any issue to land a carrier based plane in FSX before, but the F-14 seems to give me lots of trouble without autothrottle. Need more training!
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#4059286 - 01/03/15 03:37 PM
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Yes, as a matter of fact, I haven't used the auto throttle yet. I think it was the Aerosoft manual that suggested using a corrective power setting and then backing off it by a half as a way to prevent what Deacon was talking about. (I could be remembering that wrong though..) From what I've watched, the carrier approach usually involved a lot of throttle movements. I'm lucky enough to have a former A-6 pilot working at my job now..so next time I talk to him I'll ask him about technique on the throttles. Here is that excerpt from the Aerosoft manual..written by a Navy guy: I didn't even know about the O2 mask issue. I'm still coming to grips with the whole airplane. Last night I tried to fly that checklist carrier pattern thing and I could get any of the items to tick off automatically. Like I entered the upwind at the recommended 800' and 300-350 knots, did the break turn at 45 degrees, manual sweep to 65, speedbrake out...but never got any indication it was registering on the checklist thingy. I might have something configured wrong. Would be fun to get together with some guys and fly some patterns in MP.. BeachAV8R
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#4059354 - 01/03/15 07:14 PM
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How are cat launches modelled? Well, similar to how FSX Acceleration did it..but with much more preparation involved. The Aerosoft Tomcat has a brilliant checklist pop-up that takes you through all the various stages from cold and dark to ready to launch. There are a LOT of steps, but you can get "helped" by just clicking on some of the checklist items and the sim does the check for you. You have to get up on the catapult, sweep your wings out, squat the nosegear, set the catapult, wipe the controls, advance the power to MIL, then AB (for the TF30 model engines anyway), and then you are good to go. The aerodynamics leaving the catapult are fantastic though..with some unpredictable roll-off into one wing or another. And I can't say enough about how exciting the compressor stalls are. A few minutes ago I finally managed to get all the parameters right for a Sparrow launch on a Tu-95 (yeah..I know..tough target) and I got a hit and was so excited I goosed the throttles from idle to full power really quickly (TF30 engines) and "bam..bam"..dual flameout and subsequent crash. You really had to baby those engines apparently... BeachAV8R
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#4059432 - 01/03/15 11:22 PM
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#4059448 - 01/04/15 12:13 AM
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If Maverick had been Flying Bs, Goose would still be Alive I've killed an entire squadron of pilots and RIOs... So many, in fact, that Iran has made me an honorary ace... BeachAV8R
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#4059452 - 01/04/15 12:22 AM
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Got my first Phoenix kill today - and managed to take on a few thousand pounds of fuel from the tanker. I'm worn out. <g>
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#4059459 - 01/04/15 01:05 AM
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I actually managed to refuel from the VRS Hornet tanker on one engine. I was overtaking him too fast..slammed my throttles back..and BAM..compressor stalled the right engine. Went to relight it..ITT went through the roof, BLAM...another compressor stall and a fire.. Doh! Interesting that for all the glitz and glam of the Phoenix..it never scored a kill in combat by the U.S. Navy (Iran claims to have scored kills with it..but who knows..) BeachAV8R
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#4059512 - 01/04/15 04:49 AM
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BTW - air-to-ground is very much simplified (I think). I don't know much about the "Bombcat", but with the Aerosoft bird it looks like you get CCIP for everything..so nothing exotic. I don't blame em'..they focused more on the A2A stuff... PS - Does anyone know the normal configuration the Bombcat used for delivering ordnance? Manual sweep position? Or did they drop with wings swept too? Edit - Looks like they do deliver with swept wings: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f14-mk83.jpghttp://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f14-gbu24.jpgBeachAV8R
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#4059531 - 01/04/15 06:11 AM
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LOL! The Aerosoft air to ground functions are definitely simplified. In real life the F-14 would have used the LANTIRN pod for just about any sort of ground attack (aerosoft didn't include it as a functioning item because of tac-pack limitations). The F-14D could also apparently do ground mapping the APG-71, but to my knowledge the AWG-9 on the A and B didn't have this functionality. Mind you 80% of my Tomcat knowledge is probably secondhand accounts that come from someone glancing at NAVAIR, at best. As for wingsweep, I'll let Aerosoft explain it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaqCrGLz4jk#t=2m10s
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#4059557 - 01/04/15 10:19 AM
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Chris, quick question! I had also the dreaded double-compressor stall happen to me. Is there any kind of emergency generator, to keep electrical power and hydraulics on line? Didn't found one as I was frantically looking around the cockpit, with the plane going down with frozen flight controls...
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#4059667 - 01/04/15 05:32 PM
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Chris, quick question! I had also the dreaded double-compressor stall happen to me. Is there any kind of emergency generator, to keep electrical power and hydraulics on line? Didn't found one as I was frantically looking around the cockpit, with the plane going down with frozen flight controls... Yeah..I haven't read up enough on it, but I think if you keep going fast enough (400 knots) you get enough windmilling to provide some hydraulic pressure. I found I had more control authority in one model over the other (A or B)..but I honestly can't remember which one. Those compressor stalls are awesome and usually happen at the worst time. I had one yesterday that went out..then I had a fire on the restart and I actually managed a single engine carrier approach and landing. It was one of those "wow" sim moments that ranks up there... BeachAV8R
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I had one yesterday that went out..then I had a fire on the restart and I actually managed a single engine carrier approach and landing. It was one of those "wow" sim moments that ranks up there...
Damn! Last time I had a compressor stall, it was on final on a regular airport, and the only thing I managed was to get the bird in a flat spin! Congratulations, Chris!
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#4059730 - 01/04/15 07:29 PM
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#4059873 - 01/05/15 12:47 AM
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I would not have guessed this could have been flyable..but apparently it was: Full article: HERE!BeachAV8R
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#4059884 - 01/05/15 01:38 AM
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Anyone tried MP shared cockpit? I've seen a couple reports that it works..but doesn't have full functionality. Are people hooking up via TacPack I assume?
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I would not have guessed this could have been flyable..but apparently it was: Full article: HERE!BeachAV8R I'm more surprised that's mechanically possible. I thought the Wings had giant inter-meshed gears so that they always stayed in syc. I would think to that Mesh would need to strip...Nope, google is our friend Pretty awesome that they managed to work a fuel tank into the wing cross brace.
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The -D's RADAR was a stepping stone to the F-15E's not quite.....The F-15Es radar was good and done before the APG-71 was developed IIRC. The F-14D's APG-71 just incorporated some digital components from the F-15E's APG-70 and allowed for a more sensitive receiver. The APG-71 could have had the F-15Es APG-70 A-G capability-Inverse synthetic aperture, sea targeting, ground moving target track, and everything but it would have been very expensive and the navy didn't pay for it. If they did, you would have seen the F-14 with a modified belly station capable of carrying AGM-65, AGM-86, AGM-84 and SLAM, as well as the HARMs it was already being tested with. A very capable tomcat indeed.
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If they did, you would have seen the F-14 with a modified belly station capable of carrying AGM-65, AGM-86, AGM-84 and SLAM, as well as the HARMs it was already being tested with. A very capable tomcat indeed. If there was ever a great fantasy to have - it would be that Matt Wagner and crew would consider building such a fanciful beast for DCS World.. BeachAV8R
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If they did, you would have seen the F-14 with a modified belly station capable of carrying AGM-65, AGM-86, AGM-84 and SLAM, as well as the HARMs it was already being tested with. A very capable tomcat indeed. If there was ever a great fantasy to have - it would be that Matt Wagner and crew would consider building such a fanciful beast for DCS World.. BeachAV8R *cough* leatherneck *cough*
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If they did, you would have seen the F-14 with a modified belly station capable of carrying AGM-65, AGM-86, AGM-84 and SLAM, as well as the HARMs it was already being tested with. A very capable tomcat indeed. If there was ever a great fantasy to have - it would be that Matt Wagner and crew would consider building such a fanciful beast for DCS World.. BeachAV8R Yeah, but then you'd have all the rivet counters crying about how 'unrealistic' and 'game breaking" it is to have a Strike-Cat in the game. That said, I say bring it on. I'd have been interested to see how they attached weapons to it though. Namely if they went the F-15E route, and started just sticking hard points all over the CFTs (it really does look humerous when it's loaded for bare, like bombs were just stuck whereever possible)
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F-14s carried A2G munitions conformally in the underside stations, reducing drag and fuel use, compared to F/A-18's.
There wss a point during the desert war when Tomcats were doong F/A-18 and F-15E's missions.
Dont remember where I read/heard APG71 was a stepping stone to APG70, But they share a large amount of common parts and were both digital versions of their old Analog counterparts they replaced.
I think it was one of those Military channel shows, that mentioned it, abd when the Ds got the APG70 they gained the same A2G modes as the -15E,
They tested firing AGMs as well as AIM120s late before the APG70 program was cut, and evebtually the tomcat, if the tomcat lived to 2010, the next avionics suite would allow then to carry AIM120 as well as the more popular AGMs.
One pilot I talked to said they mounted A TGP (in testing) to the center rear station and that pretty much gave then 360 view with zero obstructions (ie parts of the aircraft wings or fuselage) of the engagement zone below them.
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F-14s carried A2G munitions conformally in the underside stations, reducing drag and fuel use, compared to F/A-18's.
There wss a point during the desert war when Tomcats were doong F/A-18 and F-15E's missions.
Dont remember where I read/heard APG71 was a stepping stone to APG70, But they share a large amount of common parts and were both digital versions of their old Analog counterparts they replaced.
I think it was one of those Military channel shows, that mentioned it, abd when the Ds got the APG70 they gained the same A2G modes as the -15E,
They tested firing AGMs as well as AIM120s late before the APG70 program was cut, and evebtually the tomcat, if the tomcat lived to 2010, the next avionics suite would allow then to carry AIM120 as well as the more popular AGMs.
One pilot I talked to said they mounted A TGP (in testing) to the center rear station and that pretty much gave then 360 view with zero obstructions (ie parts of the aircraft wings or fuselage) of the engagement zone below them. YEP. The "Bombcat" upgrade that gave the LANTIRN, databus, and cockpit upgrade, where funded by the money set aside to incorporate the AIM-120 radar modes on the AWG-9 and APG-71(would have allowed the best AIM-120 shots of any radar at that time). The pylon that the LANTIRN mounts to is the pylon developed to allow the F-14 to carry the AGM-88 HARM, of which there are a few pics lying around. There's a patent image available on internet search showing a multipurpose centerline section that would have mounted over the entire tunnel and allowed for many AGM munitions. Too much "coulda, shoulda, woulda" regarding the F-14 but real politics killed it way more than the "reported" operating cost.
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If they did, you would have seen the F-14 with a modified belly station capable of carrying AGM-65, AGM-86, AGM-84 and SLAM, as well as the HARMs it was already being tested with. A very capable tomcat indeed. If there was ever a great fantasy to have - it would be that Matt Wagner and crew would consider building such a fanciful beast for DCS World.. BeachAV8R *cough* leatherneck *cough* This can't be possibly true. Nope. I can't believe it.
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"It takes forever +/- 2 weeks for the A-10 to get anywhere significant..." Ice
"Ha! If it gets him on the deck its a start!" MigBuster
"What people like and what critics praise are rarely the same thing. 'Critic' is just another one of those unnecessary, overpaid, parasitic jobs that the human race has churned out so that clever slackers won't have to actually get a real job and possibly soil their hands." Sauron
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