This "issue" is not a definite at this time but appears probable. Or I just had horrible luck on multiple occasions.
If anyone else can confirm that would be great.

It would appear that if you file multiple claims in a mission and one of them is deemed erroneous (the immediate rejection upon leaving the Claim Form) it invalidates ALL your claims for that mission.

You can always change the setting in the workshop.
If not, then just be damm sure of all claims submitted.

That would be fine i guess except I would have to accept "Easier Promotions" also.
The issue is the erroneous claim invalidating all claims made.

I just think of my CO or Kommandant as being a real hardarse for accuracy.

Further thought stimulated by conversing with Olham in the below listed thread.

If a plane crashes (I see it) and I make a claim no matter how weak my claim (poor typing on my part, misidentification, lack of witnesses, etc) a game file is generated in the campaign folder that lists your pilots % chance of confirmation.
If one of your claims for that mission is deemed erroneous then that system for the definite crash is not implemented and all claims made are invalidated.

If you wish the details on how I made two erroneous claim see the thread "Bad luck on claims or..." In the main forum.

Duke, you could send the log files to OBD support for them to check what happened?

Since there is only one "witness" frame, I always only claim 1 aircraft per mission,
even if I shot down more. Cause it is unlikely, that I can use the same witness for
both of my kills, and that could make one erroneus.

Do you think the claims information would show up in the log?
I am not so sure but in any case I have flown a couple of missions since those occurrences.
Thanks though for the idea.

Should be easy to re-create though on further thought.
Fly a mission and make a definite kill. Exit the game and make a claim on that one then make a totally erroneous claim on some bogus aircraft. I will bet when the erroneous claim is rejected you will also lose your other "good" claim if I am right.

I have had multiple claims (four on one mission) and have not experienced a problem using a single witness. The exception being the two cases where I included a claim that was rejected immediately. But I generally select no witness for multiple claims or when a wingman is not close. I cross check the map for the nearest friendly balloon and nearest airfield to that balloon. In my narrative I state the claim was probably witnessed by Obs Balloon X miles and its relative position from XXXXX Airfield. Overkill I'm sure but typing the Claim Narrative is one of the huge entertainment features of WOFF adding to my historical fiction. It forces me to play with a higher SA (situational awareness). Just don't make a "bogus" (using WM's adjective) claim. Meaning if I don't see my victim hit the dirt, I don't file a claim.

WM replied in another thread that he may consider an update allowing us to file bogus claims. Armed with that, I'd politely disagree with Duke, this is NOT a glitch, it is intentional.

I wonder how big of a donation would it require by me (I'm game) to get WM to accommodate these previously mentioned options:

1) The ability to file ANY claim and not have it deemed erroneous and rejected before it's recorded on the Claims page. IOW file and record all the claims I want to without having all claims in that report summarily rejected. I think this would add to the fiction of a career, and it would allow you to retain the narrative of all claims.

2) The ability to file claims on behalf of my gunner, rather than file as my claim.

3) The ability to file a mission report (like the ability to file a claim). Absent this option, an EASIER way to edit the mission remarks.

Read more: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/to...0#ixzz3Lthiu6z6

What I am saying is if I make two claims or 10 claims and one of them is deemed erroneous and immediately rejected it takes ALL OTHER CLAIMS with it and REJECTS ALL OF THEM AUTOMATICALLY.

This cannot possibly be by design.
Let's just forget about the whole thing and I will try not to file any claims that could be considered erroneous.

Duke, no offense intended. I understand the symptoms, a claim deemed erroneous negate ALL claims. Perhaps I am mistaken, I simply inferred from WM's remarks that this was intentional rather than accidental (a glitch). This wouldn't be the first time I've made a mistake.

Cheers

No, you're right - it wasn't like that before.
I had - in OFF - sometimes claimed more than 1 aircraft. And the result would sometimes be,
that one victory was confirmed, and the other wasn't.

S! to all.

If your claim form has errors - and you are told its 'erroneous' - then ALL claims on that form are binned if you decide to proceed with it.
You can of course fix it before submitting it.
This was exactly the same in WOFF1

However multiple claims are always treated individually on a per claim basis - exactly as before - once a claim form is accepted without errors - the claims system has not changed for WOFF1 to WOFF2 - just how its accessed.

In terms of witness use one that was closest to all victory claims (in the case of mutiple claims) is best but the witness is only part of the story.

I may allow 'erroneous claims' in 2015 - no promises.

WM

Thank you WM.
Hopefully time will be available in the future.

A final question if I may.
Are aircraft that are forced to land due to damage you do to them (behind your lines) but not "dead" considered a victory for the claims form system? I will guess not based on experience but I would like to make sure

Yes I will update the claims system to allow erroneous claims in Jan - on leave now.

To my recollection they will not count, but cannot look at code here now to confirm.

WM

Thanks again sir.
Enjoy your well deserved leave!

Many German pilots received confirmed victories over planes they forced to land within German lines.
If aircraft which get forced down behind my own lines do not count, this should be changed
if any possible.
To hear the word "leave" from one of you devs is a rare event - I wish you and all OBDers
a comfortable, happy Christmas time, Winder!

I will look into this when I augment the claims system early 2015.

WM

Many thanks. Any chance you might work your coding magic and also allow us to edit (or write our own) mission narrative?

Slight update on when a downed plane is considered "dead" and hence claimable.
Just returned from a campaign flight and, in a dogfight over the front, shot up a Alb DIII that glided to a landing behind German lines. However, unlike my other two of occurrences where they made a good (upright) landing in enemy territory this Alb flipped over upon touch down behind German lines.
Threw on the TAC and he still showed as an "active" enemy. Fly back to base and to experiment made a claim on him that was not immediately rejected and was, in fact, confirmed as my pilots first victory.
Sooooo....to extrapolate this;
Logically enough whether or not you can make a good claim on a aircraft depends on the damage it ends up suffering in the end. In this case I forced it to land like the others but he crashed badly on landing (the flip over) thus triggering the game engine to think it was a "good kill" based on the damage it suffered.
And while the TAC still considered him to be alive (based on a different damage threshold then the Claims system I guess) he was in fact, damaged enough to be claimable. Maybe the TAC keys off the pilot being alive or dead?

Anyway very cool and obviously WOFF knows what it is doing - if my above guesses are correct.