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#4051901 - 12/17/14 06:40 AM The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed  
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Not exactly a shocker. The moderator over at their forum might have some comedic value though. I posted an opinion over there and his response caught me off guard...classic!


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#4051910 - 12/17/14 07:33 AM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Force10]  
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Gary Trotman seems a bit of a douche!


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#4051912 - 12/17/14 08:10 AM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Smosh]  
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Originally Posted By: Smosh
Gary Trotman seems a bit of a douche!



Agreed!


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#4051936 - 12/17/14 10:17 AM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Smosh]  
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Originally Posted By: Smosh
Gary Trotman seems a bit of a douche!


Completely agree and I would even use a stronger adjective to depict that Gary Trotman person but that would be dropping at his already very low level.

I won't post in that forum since it would be a big waste of my precious time but since when aircraft in the original Red Baron or Red Baron 3D are "10X harder to fly than the real Aircraft" or are any hard to fly?

What puzzles me is that those pseudo-developers don't want to make and seem to dislike simulations but when it comes to using the name of those same simulations they don't have any problem with it and at the same time expect to have the same level of success as the games/simulations that bore the original name by completely changing what made the original games so successful! Weird times we're living in, indeed rolleyes

#4051960 - 12/17/14 11:31 AM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Force10]  
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Uuuumm ok....Knowing someone who flies a replica WW1 aircraft they have their vices but overly complicated errr no..Fuel mix and ignition and a pump every now and then to pressurise the fuel tank,rest is just flyin and shootin smile

#4052142 - 12/17/14 05:13 PM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Force10]  
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Looks like he deleted the thread.


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#4052211 - 12/17/14 06:43 PM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Force10]  
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…and banned me…lol


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#4052226 - 12/17/14 07:05 PM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Force10]  
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And you thought the BoS forums were bad biggrin

Excellent way to promote your new game.Cross off 28,000 potential buyers.

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#4052253 - 12/17/14 08:02 PM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: 453Raafspitty]  
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Originally Posted By: 453Raafspitty
Uuuumm ok....Knowing someone who flies a replica WW1 aircraft they have their vices but overly complicated errr no..Fuel mix and ignition and a pump every now and then to pressurise the fuel tank,rest is just flyin and shootin smile


Just like in Red Baron, Red Baron 3D or even OFF/Wings Over Flanders Fields, so no need to simplify (or dumbing down) the flight model any further (compared to the original Red Baron or Red Baron 3D).

#4052383 - 12/17/14 11:51 PM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Force10]  
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For those that missed the highly intellectual conversation with the moderator there…I tried to re-create it here.

I'm about 70% sure about my wording in my opening post

Originally Posted By: Force10


Subject: A better chance to make the next Kickstarter successful

Myself and many others at SimHQ passed on the previous Kickstarter campaign because it's going too far away from it's simulation roots. I think if you just took the current RB sim and gave it a modern graphics overhaul it would be a winner. The dynamic campaign was excellent and immersive and is an important feature of the old game. This is what a lot of the community has been craving for years. Too many newer titles we see trying to please both camps…and they end up pleasing neither and are doomed. I would say go one way or the other…either make a full arcade game or make it a full simulation like what made it successful to begin with.

Food for thought…


The Moderator's response: I'm about 90% on this response

Originally Posted By: Gary Trotman


I am 55 years old and the last thing I want is some over complicated flight model that is 10 times harder to fly than the real thing. And WELL, THANKS FOR NOTHING on supporting us on the kickstarter…you can take your snobby azz and get out of here.


Then he followed immediately with this one: I'm about 99% on this post

Originally Posted By: Gary Trotman


oh…and SimHQ? Well WHOOPITY FCKING Do!..lol



I'm not even kidding on that one…those words were typed by a moderator at the new Red Baron site.

My response to his second post was:

Originally Posted By: Force10


Yeah…I'm with ya there. It's just a site that is home to 28,000 members that love flight games…who want's that business…right?



Needless to say…I'm not hopeful that the next RB will get off the ground with guys like that employed there.


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#4052393 - 12/18/14 12:08 AM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Force10]  
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Yep, that was pretty much the exchange!


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#4052405 - 12/18/14 12:37 AM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Smosh]  
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Originally Posted By: Smosh
Yep, that was pretty much the exchange!


Thanks for the confirm Smosh. I didn't really commit it word for word to memory cause I didn't think I would re-create it later.

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#4052552 - 12/18/14 10:57 AM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Force10]  
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Yeah I thought it was about right too. It's a pity I didn't screen-shot it,I sometimes do if I feel that the content will 'disappear' at a later date.

I thought your responses were very good btw biggrin


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#4052558 - 12/18/14 11:22 AM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Force10]  
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Originally Posted By: Force10
For those that missed the highly intellectual conversation with the moderator there…I tried to re-create it here.

I'm about 70% sure about my wording in my opening post

Originally Posted By: Force10


Subject: A better chance to make the next Kickstarter successful

Myself and many others at SimHQ passed on the previous Kickstarter campaign because it's going too far away from it's simulation roots. I think if you just took the current RB sim and gave it a modern graphics overhaul it would be a winner. The dynamic campaign was excellent and immersive and is an important feature of the old game. This is what a lot of the community has been craving for years. Too many newer titles we see trying to please both camps…and they end up pleasing neither and are doomed. I would say go one way or the other…either make a full arcade game or make it a full simulation like what made it successful to begin with.

Food for thought…


The Moderator's response: I'm about 90% on this response

Originally Posted By: Gary Trotman


I am 55 years old and the last thing I want is some over complicated flight model that is 10 times harder to fly than the real thing. And thanks for not supporting us on the kickstarter…you can take your snobby azz and get out of here.


Then he followed immediately with this one: I'm about 99% on this post

Originally Posted By: Gary Trotman


oh…and SimHQ? Well WHOOPITY FCKING Do!..lol



I'm not even kidding on that one…those words were typed by a moderator at the new Red Baron site.

My response to his second post was:

Originally Posted By: Force10


Yeah…I'm with ya there. It's just a site that is home to 28,000 members that love flight games…who want's that business…right?



Needless to say…I'm not hopeful that the next RB will get off the ground with guys like that employed there.




I've seen myself that too, my very own eyes. I couldn't believe the Douchery level on that guy.


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I think in his first response/post you forgot his "WELL, THANKS FOR NOTHING"
All capital letters.
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#4052748 - 12/18/14 04:52 PM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Chucky]  
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Originally Posted By: Chucky
Yeah I thought it was about right too. It's a pity I didn't screen-shot it,I sometimes do if I feel that the content will 'disappear' at a later date.



The pity is that I did take a screenshot…I hit print screen and pasted it in a Photoshop canvas and had it open for hours in the background…I thought I saved it but apparently I spaced it since I can't find it.

Originally Posted By: Chucky

I thought your responses were very good btw biggrin


Thanks!

Originally Posted By: komemiute
I think in his first response/post you forgot his "WELL, THANKS FOR NOTHING"
All capital letters.
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Wow…good memory! That sounds exactly right…I will edit the post of the conversation and put that in.

Thanks thumbsup


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Here is a message I sent him after he banned me and his response when I thought I had the screenshot saved:



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Wow, a moderator returning with personal attacks when none were warranted. How do we really know he's 55?

And Peally, I know a few 12 year olds who would be offended by that comparison. biggrin


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#4052918 - 12/18/14 09:48 PM Re: The new Red Baron game kickstarter failed [Re: Smosh]  
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Originally Posted By: Smosh
Yep, that was pretty much the exchange!


Yes, I can also confirm it!

That moderator may or may not be 55 (fifty five) years old but the mentality is certainly below 5 (five) years old. And I say this because my daughter is 5 years old and has a more grown up mentality than that guy, that's for sure!

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