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#4041785 - 11/26/14 08:44 PM Regarding the realism of EECH & EEAH & Apache Assault titles  
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Hi everyone,

I have Jane's Longbow 1, Flashpoint, Longbow 2

I also have DCC's combat heli sim.

How does these 3 titles mentioned in the subject line fare insofar as realism is concerned?

I'm not interested in arcade games!

Thank you,
Stefos

#4042332 - 11/27/14 08:51 PM Re: Regarding the realism of EECH & EEAH & Apache Assault titles [Re: Stefnuts]  
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Hello, I recomend you to taste this sim with mods, mainly the last release 1.15.2.
I am sure you like it. Is not a boring sim.

#4042480 - 11/28/14 02:54 AM Re: Regarding the realism of EECH & EEAH & Apache Assault titles [Re: SimonAlonso]  
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Hi SimonAlonso,

Someone told me that EECH is arcadey not like a real sim.

Is this true?

Thank you,
Stefos

#4042487 - 11/28/14 03:27 AM Re: Regarding the realism of EECH & EEAH & Apache Assault titles [Re: Stefnuts]  
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Depends upon what you consider arcadey I guess. Less arcadey than the Longbows, Gunships!, etc.

Pros are dynamic campaign, better graphics, and mod still being actively being worked on still.

BTW, great job guys!

#4042492 - 11/28/14 03:57 AM Re: Regarding the realism of EECH & EEAH & Apache Assault titles [Re: Stefnuts]  
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Needs moar Mi-24
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In some respects EECH 1.15.2 is still pretty arcadey; for instance, the AI's very simple and can be quite annoying (very much an if-this-then-do-that model, no cones of vision so the AI has 360-degree sensor ability at all times), the physics are variable (though it does model things like the vortex ring state, retreating blade stall, translational lift, some hot-and-high lift loss etc in 1.15.2, for instance, the pedal turns are still... strange) and the missions can be a little simplified too (very little complexity, it's always a simple "go here and do this then come home" sort of affair.

However, EECH 1.15.2 is light-years away from where the original EECH was; it does make an effort to model realistic flight dynamics (though having never actually flown a helicopter, I can't possibly make comparisons), it's introduced more realistic and subtle protection values and damage simulation, it's drastically improved the realism of sensors (bye-bye Mi-24 FLIR :() and it's done a huge amount to improve the collision detection (which was, heretofore, bloody awful).

It's still enormous fun (if at times very, very frustrating - mostly because the AI does something silly) and, I find, pretty challenging, particularly when you have the dynamics whacked up. Certainly I tend to come away from long sessions with stiff shoulders and a feeling of having concentrated hard for far too long. You can't get round some of the basic limitations of the EECH engine just yet (for instance, largely static ground units, with illogical TO&E, that sit at crossroads waiting to be shot at), but 1.15.2 really, really improves it.

However, to be perfectly honest, unless one has some reasonable stick time on whatever you're flying in a sim, I'm not sure how accurately one can assess the sim's realism!

Give it a go and see what you think. You can get EEAH and EECH from goodoldgames.com for about a tenner; hardly money to weep over smile


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#4042494 - 11/28/14 04:04 AM Re: Regarding the realism of EECH & EEAH & Apache Assault titles [Re: Stefnuts]  
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Stefnuts , This game has been out quite a while. That being said , it is very much a sim through and through. Alot of attention to detail and in my opinion one of the best helo simulators of it's time.

I've been playing EECH for over 16 years and I still can't put it down. Many players are playing more recent sims that are made for today's computers , and they still crank up EECH and love it.

I highly suggest it. Because it has been around awhile ,the price itself won't run you more than buying a cheesburger ,fries ,and a drink.
Hope this helps , Powerstomp

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#4042535 - 11/28/14 06:40 AM Re: Regarding the realism of EECH & EEAH & Apache Assault titles [Re: Stefnuts]  
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All of these simulations share the same problem. The aircraft are a little too powerful and you can fly with a full load of missiles in any temperature. This is most definitely not the case for the AH-64D and the RAH-66 which are power limited by their transmissions. The RAH-66 was overweight when cancelled so I doubt anyone could roll out with a full load of missiles on a hot day with a high density altitude.

#4042560 - 11/28/14 09:32 AM Re: Regarding the realism of EECH & EEAH & Apache Assault titles [Re: Stefnuts]  
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Using DCS/Falcon as reference for hardcore sim, EECH is a midcore sim (the IL2 1946 for helos), Apache Assault is pure (but good) arcade.

#4042589 - 11/28/14 11:45 AM Re: Regarding the realism of EECH & EEAH & Apache Assault titles [Re: Stefnuts]  
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compared to janes longbow2,
I find helicopters in eech v1.15.2 are harder to fly,
it requires collective adjustment all the time.

#4042764 - 11/28/14 06:23 PM Re: Regarding the realism of EECH & EEAH & Apache Assault titles [Re: Stefnuts]  
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EECH with mod's is very Fun sim, flightmodel is ok, but it feels quite scripted. BUT all other things like very living world and strong immersion makes up for it.

I really recomed it, sure choppers are way overpowered and stabil compared to real life chopper's but it's still not arcade.


I recomend it!



-haukka81

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