For all who hadn't seen this posted over at CombatAce some time ago,
here is again the link to Steven Spielberg's archive and the second
part of the film Anthony Fokker made during a visit at the front.

Anthony Fokker Film

The film shows many German aces "alive", like the Jasta 11 pilots,
Otto Kissenberth and Adolf Tutschek.

On my phone so I haven't seen it yet.
Is this the film Fokker shot after MvR shot down Bird from 46 Squadron?
First week of September 1917?

Extremely interesting film Olham! Thanks for posting.

Yes, I think it is - von Richthofen and Fokker can be seen with a British pilot
and the wreckage of his Sopwith Pup.

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This is a great piece of historical footage and despite seeing it many times I still get something out of watching it. Thanks for sharing Olham.

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Wow. I have never seen that version of it.
Great find Olham!
It seems to be a mix of different time periods. I see even damn Goering made an appearance. Kissenberth was the Pour le Merite in the glasses correct? I recognize Tutschek. Who was the other shorter Blue Max wearer often in the same shots as Tutschek? I think it's Klein but without a time stamp I can't be sure.

The scene where they are examining the shot down plane is definitely the first week of September 1917 where MvR shot down (or perhaps forced down more correctly) Lt. Bird of 46 Squadron in his Sopwith Pup. They had just got back to France after 6 weeks in England on anti-Gotha duty; Hows that for a 2.0 lead in?

Without getting up for my books I believe it was MvR's 2nd victory in the Triplane and Fokker, not adverse to self publicity, was there for some film. During the examination of the Pups engine and in another scene you will see that Fokker is wearing Birds flying gear!

Great film.

EDIT: Doh. If I would have read the web page it is a mix of different time periods.

Actually don't know who the short PLM owner is.
Yes, Kissenberth is the one with the glasses.

Did a little more reading on the page. There is even a minute by minute synopsis of the film.

The shorter gentlemen is Klein but it says the one in the glasses is "Bernert" and gives quite a little history on him. Does look more like Kissenberth to me.

Read the film notes section. Lots of history there.

Oh, and did you see the Dr.1 take-off? Looks like it was airborne in about 70 feet!

Damn, you're right - Bernert looks much the same! Or maybe it's only the glasses ? ...
(Very unusual for pilots - and unthinkable today.)

Yep. That be him.

This is one of the things I love about this time period and genre - the amount of information that is available if you now where to look - or who to ask!
Could probably find his shoe size somewhere.

And this in spite of the massive loss of German WW1 records in WW2.

And a photo of Kissenberth's Camel he was famous for.

EDIT: Hmmm...it would appear my first ever attempt to post a pho to was a failure.

Try it again, Duke - you can edit the post.
You need to select "Add file", and then you must also select "Lightbox" or "Traditional".
The picture should best be a JPEG, and not too big.

Finally...I think.

EDIT: Success!

Regarding Bird, no question he was shot down. His Pup was hit "times without number." Richthofen shot up his fuel tank and engine, as well as his struts, instrument panel, clothing, and Bird himself, wounding him under his right arm. Bird's son sent me a copy of his father's account of the fight and I also have a copy of his handwritten account that I got from RAF Museum. Interesting to me, Bird wrote that he saw Richthofen coming but mistook the Fokker F.I for a Sopwith Triplane and didn't realize the danger until the bullets started hitting.

An interesting discussion in regards to Lt.Bird

Well I didn't mean to imply he just surrendered just that he didn't come crashing down from 10,000 feet.

And you, as a historian, are a good one to ask about this.
And this is not meant to disparage Lt. Bird or question his bravery. It just reminds me of something I have noticed or perhaps felt is a better word in reading combat reports of people who have been shot down.

Do you find that you sometimes have to take survivor accounts of their shoot downs with a grain of salt?

EDIT: Thanks for the link Smosh.
EDIT #2: And I would like to place a bet on the game this weekend JFM but I am afraid it would be a losing proposition for me!

Good footage... I don't often play as the hun chappies, but in the film they look like a happy carefree bunch of fellows it has to be said

Never forget though that they were being filmed.

Sure, Duke, I think a combat report is part of the equation. These guys were in life and death situations where things happened very quickly, and the fog of war is definitely present. So I like to get as much info from both sides if possible and then compare them to see what matches and what doesn't. Another interesting thing about Bird's account is he talked about being fired on all the way down to the ground, long after his engine stopped. This is typical of MvR. Usually he did not stop pursuing/attacking until the other plane hit the ground or either caught on fire or broke apart. He's written about knowing a plane was incapacitated and yet continuing his attack.

Regarding carefree fellows. Many people think the Germans were all stiff, stoic, stereotypical Prussian types. I say that's bunk. Certainly those types existed, but they existed in all armies, then and now. Yes, they were being filmed, but these guys were mostly just kids. They didn't just stand around rigidly and scowl all the time. I have scores of photos of German pilots goofing off, kidding around, laughing, etc. People sometimes assign grand reasons for why a pilot painted his Albatros this way or that--"an iron Prussian will and heart of steel!" or some such nonsense--and often it's as simple as a guy's favorite football team colors or the color of his favorite candy. "Regular guy" kind of reasons. But this can get lost in stereotypes.

As far as betting on when 2.0 will be released, maybe I should bet it won't be released this week. This because I'm the world's WORST gambler. I'm guaranteed to lose.

You mean like this guy?