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#4036269 - 11/15/14 02:29 PM new topic title - how silly and unrealistic is this arcade game called War Thunder. discuss.  
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Can't be bothered.

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#4036272 - 11/15/14 02:35 PM Re: Stug ambush [Re: Tigerwulf]  
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yep, pretty awesome... good job.

#4036280 - 11/15/14 02:59 PM Re: Stug ambush [Re: Tigerwulf]  
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That was great work there Tigerwulf yep You have to love the 'ammo rack' effects in WT.

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#4036474 - 11/16/14 12:06 AM Re: Stug ambush [Re: Tigerwulf]  
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Impressive.

I haven't touched WT in ages, never even tried the ground warfare. How does it stack up against WoT?

I'm a pretty big TD player in WoT, the Stug being one of my staples.

#4036477 - 11/16/14 12:11 AM Re: Stug ambush [Re: Tigerwulf]  
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#4036827 - 11/16/14 11:10 PM Re: Stug ambush [Re: Tigerwulf]  
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Impressive kill Tigerwulf.

It's also good to know that a player is checking up on how the battle is going for the whole team. It drives me mad in WOT when people don't use their maps. Earlier today on the Redshire map our two arty went to the left flank while everyone else went right, I quickly went to cover them but was overwhelmed by the enemy. I repeatedly called for help but no one responded and all three of us died. With no arty support our team quickly folded.

#4037772 - 11/19/14 01:32 AM Re: Stug ambush [Re: Tigerwulf]  
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Thanks Tigerwulf I just might reinstall WT and check out the tank part.

I'm pretty heavily invested in WoT, after trying out the various different types and styles I find I like the tank destroyers best, in particular the German ones. I've got as far as Tier VII Jagdpanther on one of the German TD lines and Tier VI Nashorn in the other German TD line. I've also got quite a few premiums like the Jagdtiger 88cm and E-25.

Does WT have lots of "paper" tanks like WoT? i.e. stuff that never got off the drawing board or prototype stage. I know a lot of people complain about them in WoT but to be fair the E-25 is easily my most fun tank.

#4037815 - 11/19/14 07:08 AM Re: Stug ambush [Re: Pielstick]  
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Originally Posted By: Pielstick
I've also got quite a few premiums like the Jagdtiger 88cm


OK stupid question from a non WoT player.

As far as I know the Jagdtiger was only ever produced with the 12.8cm PaK 44 L/55.

In what universe is a fantasy, under-gunned (88mm I'm assuming), Jagdtiger referred to as "premium"?

If it really is 88cm then I take it all back as even the fabled P. 1000 "Ratte" was only going to have a couple of 28cm naval guns. explode


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#4037829 - 11/19/14 10:32 AM Re: Stug ambush [Re: Tigerwulf]  
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Sorry I meant 88mm.

In WoT "premium" tanks are ones that can be purchased with cash and you don't have to grind for them in game. The premiums themselves usually represent very esoteric, one off or non-produced tanks.

Full list of premiums here:
http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Premium_Tanks

The premiums are usually somewhat underpowered for their tier, but the point is they make more in game credits per battle which you can use to purchase upgrades for your other tanks, and they are classed as "elite" vehicles which you can use to train your crews from other vehicles which in turn gives them better performance in their regular vehicle.

In the case of the Jagdtiger 88 it is very slow and cumbersome, has poor camouflage values, relatively poor penetration and damage from the gun, but it does have very effective frontal armour, a very fast aiming, accurate and fast loading gun. It's a Tier VIII which means whilst your gun may not be able to penetrate the frontal armour on most other heavy tanks of the same tier, it excels at tracking (shooting the tracks off) enemy heavies which then allows the rest of your team to finish them off.

In one particularly memorable game I was able to get into a very good position with the JT88 and caught three enemy heavies as they trundled over a bridge in my team's rear area. I was hull down and their shots kept bouncing off my thick upper frontal armour whilst I used the fast firing and accurate 88mm to track them all, which left them stuck out in the open where the rest of my team could basically pound them to destruction.

The regular, non-premium Jagdtiger 12.8cm is Tier IX and features are far more powerful, but slower loading and aiming gun.


What you have to bear in mind is WoT is not a simulation. The armour penetration mechanics are pretty detailed and could probably qualify as a simulation, but the rest of the game.... not a chance.

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#4037840 - 11/19/14 11:54 AM Re: Stug ambush [Re: Tigerwulf]  
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Right so not "premium" in terms of "Relating to or denoting a commodity of superior quality"

e.g. a premium tank is better than stock tank

But "premium" in that you have to pay an extra amount to get it.

Originally Posted By: Pielstick
The premiums themselves usually represent very esoteric, one off or non-produced tanks.


From what little I know that seems to apply to most of the vehicle fleet.

E25, E75, E100, stuff that didn't get much beyond a sketch on the back of a beer coaster.

Makes the Maus look like a full scale production vehicle in comparison. smile

Originally Posted By: Pielstick
What you have to bear in mind is WoT is not a simulation.


Yep well aware of that, hence why it holds very little interest for me, but to each their own.

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#4037843 - 11/19/14 12:02 PM Re: Stug ambush [Re: Tigerwulf]  
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I was going to try and explain the benefits of 'Premium' tanks but this link does it much better... LINK


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#4038249 - 11/20/14 07:34 AM Re: Stug ambush [Re: Tigerwulf]  
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Originally Posted By: Tigerwulf
I wouldn't like to guess at which are prototypes or not for fear of being incorrect and being dragged of the coals for lack of knowledge, so here are some screenshots instead smile


Well hopefully no "coal dragging" but never heard of a Tiger II with a 105mm gun.

But while you can straight up say the E25,E75,E100 never existed and maybe one Maus every fired a shot, its not that simple.

They seem to "invent" options for vehicles that did exist to morph them into ones that didn't.

Just reverting back to the JagdTiger.

The vehicle (its not a tank) did exist but only with the 128mm, so put an 88mm in it and you are in fantasy land.

Similarly it only ever came with the V-12 Maybach HL 230 engine, giving it 690 hp, but in WoT (and I think WT too) you have access to a whole range of powerpacks because the developers are trying to create variety where none existed.

Then in the name of "balance" you somehow mess with the figures so a vehicle like this that happily killed Shermans at 3,000m + plays fair with other vehicles on micro maps of about 1km x 1km.

Let alone having German, US, UK, French, Japanese and Soviet tanks all on the same "side".

Sorry, I know a bunch of people love WoT and WT for the "fun" / "Blow sh*t up" factor, but I'm not one.

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#4038298 - 11/20/14 10:56 AM Re: Stug ambush [Re: Tigerwulf]  
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Gibsonm,it's WoT. Or 'Crazy World of Tanks' would be a better description.Same with WT. Nothing makes too much sense in it.

It's big money though and seems to have struck a chord with the game-playing public.

I have SB Pro too but it's rarely installed. I find it hard dedicating extended periods of time to any one game nowadays. A WoT game can last 5-10 mins,and it's easy to pick up (although not to master). Plus I don't mind the grinding,it gives you something to work for.


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#4038638 - 11/20/14 10:10 PM Re: new topic title - how silly and unrealistic is this arcade game called War Thunder. discuss. [Re: Tigerwulf]  
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Originally Posted By: Tigerwulf
Can't be bothered.


Tigerwulf,

My apologies.

I didn't appreciate how far off topic I was dragging this by replying/commenting to subsequent posts.


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