Sorry Bearcat99 but in my experience you can't just be so faithful that path will change along the way. Usually once a company decide what path they want to follow they stick to it. It is so obvious they decided the mass path that slides to console taste. It is not in my interest to ruin their business (as long as they refund me since they betrayed my trust) but I'm not in position/mood to support them neither.

Could anyone in this thread be a Mod from the IL2 Bos forums ?

Hopefully BOS will survive the negative publicity, allow more options, and go on to be a decent combat flight sim series. That said IMHO the IL-2 series took a major step backwards when IC adopted the ROF DX9 game engine, and dropped the far more capable COD DX11 game engine. Not to mention the fact that the BOS development is drifting away from the fundamental game play of the IL-2 series, with XP points, unlocks, and limited FMB use. Thats not to say that the BOS game engine can't be improved, and may even catch up to the capabilities of the COD game engine, but I don't see that happening any time soon. BOS could have the advantage of a paid development crew, with a source code, but it appears that Team Fusion is made up of some very capable people that are overcoming any source code roadblocks.

In all honesty Chivas, I don't see any game engine issues here.
It's all about how they pack it all together as far as I've seen.
To me there is a good sim inside, maybe not totally hardcore with He-111 looping after take off, but there is a "sim" there but I just don't want to touch it with the tools LOFT gave us.

Remove all the "online-singleplayer", unlocks and this thick shell of annoyance they stubbornly applied all over it, add a usable FMB and I'm sure lots of ex-IL2 dudes will join up.

IMO of course.
(but I've most definitively been wrong before)

Oh god... the drama!
Everyday it's like being in a soap opera.
Most people, (remember there are many, many people who play games that don't venture near a public forum) will continue to support because they like what they have.
Me, well I think the game will survive on its own merit. There are many things to like about it, and there are a few things I hate about it, regardless of the game politics and design choices.

If I was ever to be in a position to put together a flight sim, I would never, ever do an open development to get 'loyal fans' to assist in the journey... never!

Do you think that anyone in this thread doesn't know who Syn and I are? C'mon man cut the BS. You need to just stop with that all together because in the bigger picture that doesn't mean jack.

The way I see it after reading the entire email which I could not do fully from the .. this all started out civil enough .. and this line right here:



.. says a lot.

This whole thing has been taken way out of proportion. All this drama and judgmental BS over a feature that people don't like .. a feature that was added in direct contradiction to the warnings of Jason.. and others... and a feature that at the end of the day does not take away from the overall quality of the sim but whoose implementation has done more damage than anyone could have imagined. UN FARKINBELIVEABLE

That is the part that actually pisses me off the most.. and the main reason why I continue to cheer the sim on.. all this BS is just not even necessary. Once again we have a developer with a built in fanbase.. a rabid one at that.. so all you have to do is cater to them and loosen things up a bit to attract the newbs.. and you have a bonafide hit right out of ther gate... buuuut Nooooooooooooooooo .

Some of you guys say in true Yoda fashion.."There is another..." but you know what.. while that "other" is nice and all... I want something that I can be pretty confident that I will be able to see a decent Mustang in in 4 years tops.. I want to see something that will give me some of the things that I want to see in a sim in a reasonable amount of time.. I don't want to sit around and wait 3-4 years between major theater updates and aircraft updates etc.. BoS has the potential to deliver that .. and to do it even quicker if the devs would just listen..

You make it look as if it was the problem that the devs asked their target group for advice.

That is like the tail wagging with the dog, first asking and getting mostly sound advice, fine, but then ignoring most advices and telling the founders: you aren't my target group anyway, that did rise the unhappiness.
This game has everything needed to survive, are the devs and the publisher able to use that potential, that seems rather unlikely, regarding the already shown kind of customer relations.

I don't get into game politics... I simply look at a game, play it, and then decide whether I like it or not.
If I don't I stop playing it... it's all pretty simple.
Sure, I will give constructive criticism. If someone acts on the advice that I and others may have given, great... if not, well I tried to give some positive input at least, but I don't get bent out of shape over it.

This will all blow over, and in a years time we will be still playing it... be sure

We're trying BC...we're trying

I would argue this email leak is the result of the havy censorship on the bos forum.

If they hadn't been so dictatorial over there this thing would have run its course in the community.

Now it's everywhere.

The email was revealed to quell Jason's truth spinning and lying about what happened for just that reason.

Unprofessional, like it or it, whatever reason you try to justify your acts, it is what it is.

You just cant go ahead and public personal and privates emails, period.

Well not to pass the buck or anything.. but I was kind of scarce over there for the past few weeks with real life commitments that kept me from being very active on the forums.. I came back to this $hitstorm @ a week or so ago..

Hmm, that's not true, because I did.

Jason wants to say what he wants about people then block any attempt for the people involved to clarify or defend themselves he makes these sort of things happen.

If you want, you can look at this way...he won't be lying about this anymore than he already has. Though, I wouldn't be surprised if another story was made up if he ever publicly addresses the situation.

I never signed an NDA for anything involving BoS, nor was I ever requested to.

A very apt statement sir !S

There's no crusade going on here. Jason obviously thought the situation warranted explanation, but he gets to say whatever he wants whether it's true or not? Not if I can help it.

Anything I've produced regarding Jason is in the same exact vein as his posts on the BoS forums. To explain what happened only because people wanted to know what is going on. Nothing more. His actions speak for and about him, I don't.

A point to remember;
Stating what you believe to be a truth, may not be to another.
State your case and leave it at that, repeated insults will not be tolerated.
And lets try to be civil.

Thanks,
Murphy.

Yeah this whole mentality that we're on a crusade to kill WWII sims is absurd.