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#4027026 - 10/25/14 09:28 AM Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version  
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It all starts to make sense to me now. Been reading many posts here and on BOS forum.

The whole rigid unlock thing, the deceived founders, the absurd tight control, even up to restricting TC.


Just friggin unbelievable.... Its not the $95 that hurt. Burned that kinda money on silly things before.

It is the blatand abuse of trust and disrespect of customers from the DEVs that I find hard to give a place.

Damn, I am a grown man with real life, family and responsibilities, why be pissed by a video game?

Well I am! And I honestly find this unwanted anger hard to dismiss.


And now it might get even worse...


A cheap russian only version for 499Rubles/€9,50/$12,00? With 2 flyables (LaGG/109F) and ALL the rest (minus 190/La5) unlockable via grinding?

THATS why they stick to rigidly this Gulag business model, how obvious in the end...I am afraid.

If that Curtain falls, you got me.... SHAME on you Jason, I really trusted you, warrented on the ROF legacy, even if not perfect....Maybe you too just succoombed to the 1C gentleman with the overbearing dominance...


Tell me I am wrong, and I gladly apologize!


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#4027028 - 10/25/14 09:32 AM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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I think it's standard pricing. Dover was $14 in russia IIRC while I payed somewhere around 50 bucks as a westerner.

#4027030 - 10/25/14 09:49 AM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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Maybe. Dont think so. Besides, the point is a new development to having 2 planes only for throwaway price...

Grinding was already included. At least the russian founders will be... displeased?

#4027033 - 10/25/14 09:56 AM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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Actually, I would applaud this development if true, IF it meant that full payers would be released from the locks.

They could even make that a world wide trait. Just got a feeling that they wont...hopefully I am wrong.

#4027040 - 10/25/14 10:51 AM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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I've not heard of this limited version, but it does make sense. Games in Russia (and other parts of the world) are far cheaper than those in the UK, America, Western Europe. There are various reasons for this, but generally people who pay more for games also earn a higher wage packet.

BoS is £30 in Russia on steam, and currently £40, normally the difference is a lot more. DCS products for instance are 50% price in Russia compared to UK.

Not too sure what you are angry about (not played it for a few months, intend on giving it a buzz this weekend), but if it's regional pricing you need not get angry at BoS / 777 / 1C but instead get angry and global economics and how the world operates.


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#4027041 - 10/25/14 10:56 AM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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Originally Posted By: Zoltann
Actually, I would applaud this development if true, IF it meant that full payers would be released from the locks.
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Now that's a theory I'd like to see come into reality - could disarm alot of disappointments and maybe get a few back into the game again (not me though).

#4027046 - 10/25/14 11:10 AM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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you are looking for the problem in wrong place. you think publishers trying to show their disrespect to western world, or they have some patriotic intentions? maybe. but I can bet, that if russia would be most economically success country, price for listed above games would be twice higher compared to the rest of the world. it's a business, there is no place for politic s#it.

#4027048 - 10/25/14 11:22 AM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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Fudge93/thealx,

AGAIN, this is not the point, that the game being cheaper in russia. I am fine with regional price differences. Nor is it a politically loaded statement.

(Well, maybe as a call to FREEDOM, freedom to be unlocked, to set my preferences of graphics, to set my difficulty setting, to have a moddable game where skins and campaigns can be utilized, all this is already discussed elsewhere)

The point is that if true, this model would IMHO be a further departure of promises made by DEVs IF unlocks remain for fullpayers.

SOFAR, nobody could deliver some statement from the DEVs that this is going to happen....but the rumor is there, and I didnt even start it.

#4027057 - 10/25/14 12:25 PM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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Igromania: (GT)"Note that in Russia will also be released a special" Start "edition in Jewel-package of price of 499 rubles." (Original text bellow, this forum dont accept Cyrillic character).

http://www.igromania.ru/news/238726/Vyshla_cifrovaya_versiya_Il-2_SHturmovik_Bitva_za_Stalingrad.htm

Loft: http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2045-...-28#entry219036
http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2045-...-29#entry219062
http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2045-...-30#entry219109

ZAK: http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2045-...-28#entry219047

BTW - Notice that Digital (download) Premium and Standard versions - Steam and Web Shop - on Russian market has equivalent price of Western versions.

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#4027059 - 10/25/14 12:27 PM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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Thanks Sokol, accurate as usual... cheers



But no deletion unlocks for full payers mentioned .... That would have made sense. I mean Business sense.


I have everything from ROF (actually almost double), Muromets and il2 BoB. Not a penny more tough, until this moves in a sensible direction.


My loss? dont think so. Cheers.

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#4027069 - 10/25/14 01:10 PM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Sokol1]  
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Originally Posted By: Sokol1
Igromania: (GT)"Note that in Russia will also be released a special" Start "edition in Jewel-package of price of 499 rubles." (Original text bellow, this forum dont accept Cyrillic character).

http://www.igromania.ru/news/238726/Vyshla_cifrovaya_versiya_Il-2_SHturmovik_Bitva_za_Stalingrad.htm

Loft: http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2045-...-28#entry219036
http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2045-...-29#entry219062
http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2045-...-30#entry219109

ZAK: http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2045-...-28#entry219047

BTW - Notice that Digital (download) Premium and Standard versions - Steam and Web Shop - on Russian market has equivalent price of Western versions.


Well...that's it....Founders were played...plain and simple...you don't do differential pricing like this with minor variation in content, while keeping in the odious locks for "premium" Founders...should be called "screamium" unless your intent all along is to shift the market....they are WT with bait and switch

So be it... skullhead...they do business like this...they deserve every "0" they get on Metacritic and elsewhere

These idiots have to be taught a lesson in not playing customers...especially those that provide the bulk of funding for their operations



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#4027096 - 10/25/14 02:11 PM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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Haven't heard a peep from Jason in quite a while. Wonder if he has anything to say on the matter?


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#4027100 - 10/25/14 02:19 PM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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Originally Posted By: Zoltann

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I have everything from ROF (actually almost double), Muromets and il2 BoB. Not a penny more tough, until this moves in a sensible direction.
...


The same here.


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#4027114 - 10/25/14 02:37 PM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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GUYS!
I looked at those links above, and while google translate is not particularly accurate, it appears to me that the evidence, as presented, is open to interpretation.

Before you jump to conclusions and crucify the devs, get something more reliable than those links...


#4027117 - 10/25/14 02:38 PM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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Skullbiscuit:

"So be it....they do business like this...they deserve every "0" they get on Metacritic and elsewhere

These idiots have to be taught a lesson in not playing customers...especially those that provide the bulk of funding for their operations"


I might do some "payback healing" via Metacritic. Then I will turn my back on it for a long time, and see how it develops. Enough negativity over a bloody videogame.

The fact that founders might feel shafted is actually not very relevant for a potential new buyer. Therefore, the games many flaws/strengths may be better criteria.

Therefore, I will not give a 0/1/2. Admittedly, the game as is has some merits (and GOOD potential), as most people agree.

It will be very interesting to see where this policy will bring them. Will they open the Western market for this model too?

Normally, you have to go to the bank for a loan if you undertake a new venture/investment...they had an better idea! A sim-starved community of generally settlet people willing to pay for a il2 dream to return.
Hell, I would have gladly payed double $95 for a real successor...

In an almost evil way, I think they played (could not resist) the founders brilliantly.... from a (short time?) business point of view. Nobody can say they are empty handed, they delivered right?


The appeasement to the DEVs of so many actually good meaning people (bearcat for instance), or people feeling shafted and venting over metacritic shows...

...were all checkmate.

Just brilliant.

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#4027120 - 10/25/14 02:45 PM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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@ Bandy

I hear ya...I just dont believe that.

We have some, IMHO, good russian forum members who do not BS.

Google translator s not THAT bad.

All signs and logic show differently.

Admitted, a reaction of Jason in english would be much better.

#4027126 - 10/25/14 02:51 PM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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Show me a link where it is spelled out! Russian or otherwise and I'll follow it up myself.

Where is this 'all unlocked version' advertised? It has to be for sale somewhere in Russia so the details must be written down about what you get, that there are no unlocks associated.

Right now you are all going off half-cocked.

I will certainly eat crow if this is true (and be mighty pissed) but not willing to jump to conclusions on what I see for myself in this thread.


#4027133 - 10/25/14 03:06 PM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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OK, I will spell it out for you: see previous page of this topic, threat no. 4027057 by Sokol1. Use translator.

As all is russian, I do not see use of copy/paste.

If that aint clear enough, just wait a bit...


Read better, the issue is not unlocked version, but cheap version a la WT.



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P.S. "half cocked" like "half read" evens out for me, np mate.

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#4027138 - 10/25/14 03:21 PM Re: Can anybody proof the rumor on low cost russian version [Re: Zoltann]  
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Under the normal rules of finance and venture capital....those who put their money in first into a risky venture (and this concept derives new meaning with these guys at 777/1C now! and I am not joking)

deserve to get a higher return on their investment

It is hard to see giving these guys 100 bucks way up front as something other than venture capital in the a risky venture (making a WWII flight sim for a shrinking market)

All indications are that they used that money to make a game very very different from what all the "investors" or Founders, were lead to believe

The latest example is this release of a Russian DVD version at a fraction of the price and with nearly all of the same content.

Not to be pedantic by beating this dead horse...

But this game has come out in a form very much at odds with what founders expected (not getting what you paid for)
And...now to rub salt in that wound...they are offering the same product at a steep discount for what now seems their real target market (grinders in Russia)...maybe offering it out at a like discount later to XP grinders elsewhere.

It's being beat to death here...but the bottom line is that (see poll on unlocks as an empirical no BS example of what people wanted vs what they got) these guys did a bait and switch..and they are now running with the ball and laughing at the people that funded them.

I real good way to win friends and influence people! Nope...if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.....


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From a dev:

"These is going to be a limited edition for 500 RUR in Russia. This will be a CD with only 2 planes available from start, Lagg-3 and Bf 109 F-4"

http://steamcommunity.com/app/307960/discussions/0/619569341112252356/#c619569341140519173

So, now we see why there 'must be' unlocks.

But why also for $100 customers (even if 'only' for equipment and skins) is beyond my reason.

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