Can I get an Amen in the House tonight??? This statment cuts right to the very heart of the matter. Thank you Sir.
Don't want to be standing next to you when the Gulag Guards come looking for you! Back to Grinding Comrade, you will like it, or else!

S!Blade<><

Let's hear some reviews folks.....

Nothing has really changed in the past few weaks. Still a bad single player campaign. Still no FMB. Still xp points needed for unlocks in SP and MP. Still have to be connected to play the SP campaign. Still only presets for graphics settings. Still sound issues with hits on player plane. Still no historical squads. Still no Dserver. Not much else to say.

Bare bones, small scale, decent graphics, WWII flight game. Need to give it 6months or more to see anything I assume.

From last week to launch, still the same.

Sounds like same with RoF

Yep Jimbobb, it is. I enjoy ROF even with all the..um fixes that are needed. BOS is still the same. I did run a campaign on auto pilot just to see what it was. I just don't have 40 to 60 hours to grind to unlock it all. So if I do fly MP it will be just the base models for me. Ha! a bomber pilot without bombs..this should be fun!
Anyways, Blade I'm stealing your saying!
"Back to Grinding Comrade, you will like it, or else!"

Unlocks? in a simulator that you pay full price? am i reading this right?

Sorry but this is plain wrong! All bomber have a standard load out, He-111 has a 4x250 kg bombs as standard, no need to unlock those. A lot of misinformation running around.

Can you please clarify on more of the misinformation running around? I am seriously interested??? Would love to read what you know????

S!Blade<><

I said nothing about shoveling money at them for nothing. Do you expect to get the next aircraft and maps in the next theater for free. Instead of the developer having to wait a few years until the next theater is complete, for another pay day, the next aircraft, and maps can be sold as they are made. If for example an aircraft planned for the expansion is finished early, it can be sold for use on the existing map. Nothing says you have to buy the additional aircraft now. If your that worried wait until all the content necessary for the next theater is complete, then buy it.

What we pay for a decent combat flight sims compared to their actual value is ridiculous. They can make a little more money selling the content piece meal, after the initial release. Twenty five dollars for an aircraft certainly isn't overpaying for the amount of work required to build them. I'd pay quite a bit more for a four engine bomber, and if you don't want to fly it, don't buy it, and it will just be an AI aircraft in your particular install. A steady flow of funding would help secure the future of the continued content we all want.

Yikes Chivas…did you totally not read what I wrote? Let me re-post my first sentence:



That should take care of your rant above.

As I said...I'm fine with paying per plane/theater…or whatever. My point was I'm not buying anything until they make this a sim…not some stepping stone for the War Thunder crowd. I just don't want to hear "We need to buy all the DLC to support the developers so they can make this the sim we wanted"…BS.

The flight sim crowd are the one's that helped fund this departure from simming…not the War Thunder crowd.

Read my post again…I wasn't debating the business model itself.

I would completely agree with you if 1C/777 had delivered a game that was fully adjustable to my desire and ability. Instead for 95$ I have received a game delivered to me that is adjusted the way 1C/777 want it to be adjusted for me. I am quite appreciative for their concern, but I am quite capable of adjusting and setting up a game the way I like to use it. Many of us funded BOS and did not get the content we wanted in the first place, not even close. So why would I want to fund them again in hopes of getting what I, and many others it appears, wanted in the first place. "Fool me once, SHAME on you! Fool me twice SHAME on me!" Gomer Pile
S!Blade<><

As I was reading your post that saying came to mind before I finished the paragraph...but you beat me to it!

Never again...

Sorry I should have been clear. Say My buddy and I want to take a few lagg's up for a jabo run then get into a dogfight, if I don't do the grind I will not have the bombs for my fighter. SYN Haashashin I should have posted that the first time. Sorry didn't mean to mislead anyone. Yes the bombers do have bombs.

The bottom line to the OP is BoS is worth it. It may not be to some others.. and you know what I HATE the idea of having to do a campaign... I have never done one.. started a bunch.. but never finished any of them. That is not my thing... but you know what else? I am going to do a campaign. I spent my hard earned money for this sim and at it's core it is a good product with great potential and I'll be d@mned if I am going to let my money just go to waste because there are some things I don't like about the finished product. People can sit around and cry in their beer and pan the sim like a bunch of kids and not fly it or boycott it or whatever if they want to.. or they can be men about it and suck it up and do what has to be done.

I look at it this way... this sim has a forced training section. I don't like it.. but I saw enough of the sim in alpha and beta to know that it is a good sim and not only that .. this launch is the best launch of a WWII sim in a decade. There are basically 3 WWII sims that guys like us can fly at the moment... IL2 .. which IMO is STILL the overall best WWII sim ever created.. dated? Yup... ! But IL2 is still a heck of a lot of fun and it cannot be beaten for it's diversity. Then you have CoD ... and while it was a disaster at release .. because lets face it.. if only a hand full of guys.. even say hypothetically 500 guys.. can fly it .. and everyone else has to spend thousands just to upgrade their rigs so they can run it.. the release is a failure and CoD was probably the biggest flop in modern sim history... but having said that 1C (that last official patch was a milestone.. let's be real..) and Team Fusion particularly.. without any official help from 1C after that last "official" patch turned CoD around to what it is today.. a CONTENDER.... and after that you have BoS... that is it gents... WoP could have been good.. but they abandoned it within the first year I think and came out with WT.. and while WT is a nice flying game... it is not a sim.. and it has little in common with BoS regardless to what some may say. That is IT. So you can wait .. or not.. but as it is BoS is nowhere near the horrible piece of garbage some make it out to be. It is nothing akin to WT either. The only thing they have in common are the same things that WT has in common with any other flying and fighting software... other than that they are miles apart.

I spend 95$ expecting a hard core sim that allows me to jump in and enjoy all it has to offer,
what I ended up with is War Thunder light that makes me grind silly xp points to change aircraft skins
and forces me to fly the campaign in air start mode, this is not what I had expected, shame on the developers.

Cheers
Walt

On steam, the deluxe version of this game is selling for $109.99 CDN

That seems, in it's current state, and considering the inherent restrictions of the game, a bit much

They should port the whole thing over to play station and be done with, that way everybody understands
what it is all about.

Cheers
Walt

Bearcat,

I would say 4 WWII sims. Take a look at CFS3 with the ETO mod (European Theater of Operations). I bought CFS3 to run WOFF and had never looked at CFS3 alone until a few monhts ago. With the ETO mod it blew me away. It is very very good. Not the scope of IL-2 1946 in skins and maps, etc. but still very very good at what it does. They have also done the PTO (Pacific Theater of Operations) and MAW (Mediterranean Air War) mods. But ETO is where to start with CFS3 (and add the JBScenery mod). This is the way to tell if it is worth your time to update and mod it more. Looking at stock CFS3 you would have no clue how good the ETO mod can make it (at least I didnt'). Admittedly, its MP community is almost non-existent, but the SP dynamic campaigns are great.

I had no idea the CFS3 modding community had done this much as I'm a hard core IL-2 1946 guy, but over the last few months I've spent most of my time playing CFS3/ETO and MAW since finding it. Am I a hardcore IL-2 1946 guy...absolutely, but now I'm also a hardcore CFS3 guy as well:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/forumdisplay.php?7-CFS3-General-Discussion

If you like what you see with the ETO mod, then also add the following WOFF mods to CFS3: Ankor's DirectX Self Shadowing (which also includes a water/ocean mod), SweetFX, and Aris Fusion Clouds Mod and you'll have a game that stands between IL-2 1946 and CloD in graphics quality, in particular the plane models.

Blah! Blah! Blah! I would suggest that maybe you should man up and admit that BOS would be right at home on XBox 1 or PS4. This is not a Sim, it's an arcade game with a hint of Sim in it, using a successful Sim Franchise name to sell the product. Maybe 1c/777 in this next year can pull a rabbit out of the hat and fix this debacle. As of right now, I have 3 hours in, a half a dozen unlocks and to be quite honest, no attitude in this next statement, I am already bored with it. The nice feeling of flight and nice graphics just are not enough for me personally. Sorry, I have a hard time when someone tells me to man up to something, when that something is not worth manning up to in my eyes. I do applaud your effort to see the positive side of BOS and 1C/777.

S!Blade<><

I know you're saying this because you're as frustrated as the rest of us. But the bottomline is that's not going to happen with something that's supposed to be fun. People will walk away from it. We man up and go to work and do the things in life we sometimes don't like because they gotta be done.

Entertainment is where we don't have to do that. Entertainment is different.