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#4024446 - 10/19/14 04:30 PM OT New Motherboard/Processor  
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Hey guys, looking to pick up a new processor/board combo for the B-Day and wondered if you had any suggestions?
I am currently running an Intel i7-2600 @ 3.4 GHz and not sure what would be the best bang for my buck... I've been checking out Newegg and Pricewatch for combo deals and am certainly open to ideas.
Thanks!

I'm currently running Windows 7 64 bit on 8GB RAM with a NVidia GTX 660 2GB RAM, I believe...


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#4024475 - 10/19/14 05:18 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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When I get on my desktop later I'll post the MB and CPU that I just got.
It eats WOFF for breakfast and I am almost always at max FR.

#4024478 - 10/19/14 05:24 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Rick,have you checked if your motherboard can accept faster cpu?Seeing as you are running an I7 its more than likely you will have option to get faster one.But you also have to see if you can overclock your present before wasting anything.Sorry if this is common knowledge.

#4024486 - 10/19/14 05:46 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Wolfstriked]  
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Originally Posted By: Wolfstriked
Rick,have you checked if your motherboard can accept faster cpu?Seeing as you are running an I7 its more than likely you will have option to get faster one.But you also have to see if you can overclock your present before wasting anything.Sorry if this is common knowledge.


Thanks for the tips, Wolfstriked, I will try both of those!

DukeIronHand, would appreciate the info!


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#4024497 - 10/19/14 06:02 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Hey Rick,

It does really depend on what you'll be using the PC for, but I'll assume that you want to get the most performance in WOFF.

I'm running an i5-2500K and used to have a 680GTX 2GB. I'll compare performance by the FPS I got during compression. I was able to get 5 FPS while using 8x compression above NML. After upgrading to a 290X 4GB, I can get 15-18 FPS with 8x compression over NML (and use ATI's supersample!) I believe that the extra vram is what did the trick more than the gpu speed.

I've poured over the internet and asked on forums about a cpu upgrade and always got the same reply that current games will not give me any significant performance boost... maybe 2-3 extra FPS, but I'll need to spend above $300 on a cpu/mobo combo. Not worth it IMHO.

Your other option is to upgrade your monitor to a larger one and preferably IPS display. You'll notice a huge difference in colors and your ability to see tiny dots (very far away objects) clearly on your monitor without squinting.

To sum up, I recommend either a 4GB gpu or an upgraded display.

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#4024501 - 10/19/14 06:10 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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I'm running an AMD 8350 on a Sabertooth.
I know every one says intel blasts AMD, but the price was right back in early 2013.
I'm not a wealthy man and this was my first build.
AMD runs 'boost' at 4.3, stock at 4.0

#4024521 - 10/19/14 06:38 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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What have you overclocked your i7-2600 to before you drop some cash for another PC.

If you can get you CPU to over 4.0 with a newer video card, you will not need another PC for WOFF.


CPU = i9 11900K
GPU = RTX 3080 Ti
Monitor = ASUS ROG Swift PG32UQX 2160p G-sync
#4024582 - 10/19/14 08:14 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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It's not overclocked at all right now. I was just going to pop a new board into the same case I've been using for the last three builds.

Oldhat, thanks for the tip, I usually try to slingshot my processor and video card purchases, and this time the processor is older. Will have to look into both, I guess biggrin


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#4024606 - 10/19/14 09:43 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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OK Rick the CPU is:

CPU Type
Intel Core i7
CPU Speed
4790 (3.6GHz)
L3 Cache Per CPU
8MB
CPU Main Features
64 bit Quad-Core Processor
Max Turbo Frequency 4.0GHz

The motherboard is a Dell proprietary board but the model number is 0KWVT8.
A link to its specs is http://www.findlaptopdriver.com/dell-0kwvt8-mainboard-specifications/
With this info, weak though the info is at second glance, you can find a aftermarket board as good or better.

And 16 GB of RAM.

Win 7 Pro 64-bit.

I bought this machine for WOFF and have been very very happy so far.
Performance wise (as measured in FR) it takes WOFF to the woodshed.

Good luck sir and Happy Birthday!


#4024890 - 10/20/14 04:52 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Rick:

Check my specs, I have nearly the same rig. If you can get a good processor cooler, I'm at 4.1 GHz - and I'm pretty conservative, the wing commander wouldn't take kindly to me frying a processor for no good reason. And I fly at all 5's except for the aircraft, so I can see how shot up I am!

Now I've never been in a 20-plane furball, so maybe that will make a difference. But I don't have any problems at all with this rig (other than the one I posted on the OT thread about the native CFS3 sim, and I'm sure that's just software).

Best,

Tom


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#4024913 - 10/20/14 05:24 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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I'm going for an i7-4790K running at 4.0Ghz stock speed with a Asus Z97 Pro motherboard.

#4024950 - 10/20/14 06:47 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Thanks, HumanDrone,

Maybe I'll do some overclock tweaking and see what I can cvome up with...


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#4024953 - 10/20/14 06:57 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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I am lucky as my motherboard has a utility that allows me to overclock by simply choosing from different settings and have a cpu that overclocks with no complaints.I chose the extreme overclock option in windows,rebooted and PC started up and has been great ever since.I run an I5-3500k(3.40ghz) at 4.4ghz with no issues at all.

#4024964 - 10/20/14 07:29 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Rick,

Just watch your temperatures and keep the cooler clean! I've heard that with a good (circulating) liquid cooler you can get these to 4.8 - 4.9 GHz. My cooler is only passive liquid, so like I said, I step carefully and watch my temperatures.

Best,

Tom


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#4027547 - 10/26/14 05:17 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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So Rick,
are you looking into OCing, or a new cpu, or a cpu MB combo?

I'm running this;

OS W7 Pro

Mobo Asus Sabertooth 990 fx v2

CPU AMD 8350 OC'd to 4.6 Ghz

32 GB muskin 1600 redline

1,000 watt In Winn PS

Case Tt Chaser MK-1 with 4 200mm colorshift fans

and 140mm high output exhaust and 120mm high intake blue led bottom.

CPU cooler Zalman CNPS9900 Max blue led.

Storage: SSD Adata xpg sx990 238GB @trimmed, WD Raptor 500 gb 64mb cache, WD 2 TB black 64 mb cache

GPU: Asus 660Ti Top 2GB

Asus 24" flatscreen

CH pro throttle, pro pedals, pro flightstick {all getting old}, and a Logitech extreme 3d for lazy days

ROCCAT isku keyboard and kone pure mouse. More cool lights

TrackIr 5

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I'll probably do the cpu/mb combo...still working on getting around to working on getting around to researching it! biggrin


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#4027552 - 10/26/14 05:32 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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That is good for "future proofing".
Pick a MB that has upward capability for better CPUs

What kinda case you housing it all in?

I love my Tt Chaser MkI;

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133191

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Hey, watch the video...
not sure if it was all the dust screens, the easy access and install for drives dvd and hhd and ssd...

...or just Jo-anne doing the demo...?

But it was my first build and it was easy.
The hard part was coming up with the cash.

Best Wishes which ever way ya wander on your quest!

#4027580 - 10/26/14 06:46 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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It's a mid tower case that I have had for a while, it's plain Jane but seems to work pretty well!


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Water cooling or massive air is the way to go.
A good case can last thru several upgrades....

I love the top easy dock for HHDs, and the dust screens.
I added 2 200mm color shift fans I had to buy from Tt, and a "Y" connector to the colorshift control.

Exhaust;...I have two of them, 200mm color shift, exhausting off the top, heat rises.Plus the stock 140 upper insde back.

Intake;... one on the side blowing into and below my 660GTX and one on the lower up front (both 200mm color shift), plus a smaller 120 mounted on the bottom as an intake Just blue led on that one.

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#4029365 - 10/30/14 02:56 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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I run my "RIG" at all "5's" and get 60 FPS at normal speed, even in dogfights. Very large dogfights
will drop it to the 40's or so.

Love the Silver Stone case, very quiet and cool. The Aero Cool touch screen keeps me "in the loop"
on Temps and fan operation.

Hope this helps.


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#4029380 - 10/30/14 03:46 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Rick, I'll put in the following for recommendation, considering that WOFF is very CPU dependent:

Intel i5 4670K(the "K" means its multiplier is unlocked for better over-clocking)
Asus Maximus VI Hero motherboard
Cooler Master Seidon 240 liquid cooling kit. This may not fit in your current case, though.

It's a bit of a slippery slope if you start upgrading just the motherboard and CPU. You need to make sure that you have adequate cooling and power as you go up in CPU speed. What is your current Power Supply?

I'm running my 4670K at 4.4 Ghz, and I'm pegged at 60 FPS even during large furballs.


I7-9700k@4.9 GHZ
16 GB RAM
GTX 2080 8 GB VRAM
2 x 1 TB SSD
32" Dell S3220DGF curved gaming monitor @ 2560 x 1440p @ 165 Hz
Sound BlasterX G6 External USB sound card
Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro Headphones
Thrustmaster TM16000 FCS HOTAS
Logitec Pro Flight Pedals
TrackIR 5
#4029393 - 10/30/14 04:00 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Slick Wilhelm]  
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Originally Posted By: Slick Wilhelm
Rick, I'll put in the following for recommendation, considering that WOFF is very CPU dependent:

Intel i5 4670K(the "K" means its multiplier is unlocked for better over-clocking)
Asus Maximus VI Hero motherboard
Cooler Master Seidon 240 liquid cooling kit. This may not fit in your current case, though.

It's a bit of a slippery slope if you start upgrading just the motherboard and CPU. You need to make sure that you have adequate cooling and power as you go up in CPU speed. What is your current Power Supply?

I'm running my 4670K at 4.4 Ghz, and I'm pegged at 60 FPS even during large furballs.


I would just like to add that if you can get a good deal on an "I7" processor it would be an improvement on the "I5". That being said, you need to compare costs on these.

Cheers!


(System_Specs)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Trooper
PSU: Ultra X3,1000-Watt
MB: Asus Maximus VI Extreme
Mem: Corsair Vengeance (2x 8GB), PC3-12800, DDR3-1600MHz, Unbuffered
CPU: Intel i7-4770K, OC to 4.427Ghz
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 240M Liquid CPU Cooler
Vid Card: ASUS GTX 980Ti STRIX 6GB
OS and Games on separate: Samsung 840 Series 250GB SSD
Monitor: Primary ASUS PG27AQ 4k; Secondary Samsung SyncMaster BX2450L
Periphs: MS Sidewinder FFB2 Pro, TrackIR 4

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Originally Posted By: Robert_Wiggins

I would just like to add that if you can get a good deal on an "I7" processor it would be an improvement on the "I5". That being said, you need to compare costs on these.

Cheers!


Agreed, *if* he can find a deal. When I did my research, the general consensus was that the i5 4670K was the best "bang for buck", and the performance difference in most games between the 4670K and 4770K were not enough to warrant the $100 price differential.

Things may have changed by now, though. Once I build a new rig, I kind of ignore hardware for a year or two until it's time to think about a video card upgrade.


I7-9700k@4.9 GHZ
16 GB RAM
GTX 2080 8 GB VRAM
2 x 1 TB SSD
32" Dell S3220DGF curved gaming monitor @ 2560 x 1440p @ 165 Hz
Sound BlasterX G6 External USB sound card
Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro Headphones
Thrustmaster TM16000 FCS HOTAS
Logitec Pro Flight Pedals
TrackIR 5
#4029435 - 10/30/14 05:26 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Just a suggestion, but I'd do some research before investing in a processor upgrade.

http://wccftech.com/intel-sandy-bridge-ivy-bridge-haswell-graphics-compared-10-difference-average/

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7255/intel-core-i7-4960x-ivy-bridge-e-review/5

http://www.pcgamer.com/might-haswell-upgrade-your-cpu-not-for-your-desktop-rig/

and many others to name a few. I'm still an advocate of a graphics card or monitor upgrade rather than a CPU one.

#4029611 - 10/30/14 10:49 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Roger to all of those posts! Based on my ridiculous death in the last challenge, I probably need to figure some new controllers into my purchase plan. My pedals and joystick are at least 15 years old and could certainly stand an upgrade.


The older I get, the more I realize I don't need to be Han, Luke or Leia. I'm just happy to be rebel scum...
#4029667 - 10/31/14 12:44 AM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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lol, Rick. Are they even USB controllers?


I7-9700k@4.9 GHZ
16 GB RAM
GTX 2080 8 GB VRAM
2 x 1 TB SSD
32" Dell S3220DGF curved gaming monitor @ 2560 x 1440p @ 165 Hz
Sound BlasterX G6 External USB sound card
Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro Headphones
Thrustmaster TM16000 FCS HOTAS
Logitec Pro Flight Pedals
TrackIR 5
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Originally Posted By: Rick_Rawlings
Roger to all of those posts! Based on my ridiculous death in the last challenge, I probably need to figure some new controllers into my purchase plan. My pedals and joystick are at least 15 years old and could certainly stand an upgrade.


Well, age of a controller is not necessarily an issue, My MSFFB2 Pro is very old and yet I wouldn't trade it for anything that is out there now.


(System_Specs)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Trooper
PSU: Ultra X3,1000-Watt
MB: Asus Maximus VI Extreme
Mem: Corsair Vengeance (2x 8GB), PC3-12800, DDR3-1600MHz, Unbuffered
CPU: Intel i7-4770K, OC to 4.427Ghz
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 240M Liquid CPU Cooler
Vid Card: ASUS GTX 980Ti STRIX 6GB
OS and Games on separate: Samsung 840 Series 250GB SSD
Monitor: Primary ASUS PG27AQ 4k; Secondary Samsung SyncMaster BX2450L
Periphs: MS Sidewinder FFB2 Pro, TrackIR 4

#4029680 - 10/31/14 01:08 AM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Slick Wilhelm]  
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Originally Posted By: Slick Wilhelm
lol, Rick. Are they even USB controllers?


Man, I wish! They are serial from back when gameports were de riguer! I have to use a usb adapter and when I calibrate them, the axis will occasionally spike, so I'm pretty sure that they are wearing. It's an old Sidewinder pro and CH pedals. If I had been able to video capture my last flight, you'd see that what was happening was ridiculous even for the testy SPAD...


The older I get, the more I realize I don't need to be Han, Luke or Leia. I'm just happy to be rebel scum...
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So will you stay with force feedback? I love my Saitek X52 setup, but I think I'd do better with some stall warning, etc from the stick.

Who makes FFB sticks these days?


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It's not a force feedback stick...


The older I get, the more I realize I don't need to be Han, Luke or Leia. I'm just happy to be rebel scum...
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Originally Posted By: Slick Wilhelm

Once I build a new rig, I kind of ignore hardware for a year or two until it's time to think about a video card upgrade.


Good policy!

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Can not help but notice none of you have mentioned HDD/SSHD/SSD or Raid systems. Hard drives are your bottlenecks not your CPU speeds

Memory Speeds.... AMD users only have the memory speeds on the dual channels and then at reduced timings. Intel is the way to go even if I do run a AMD FX 8350 myself Intel really does have the edge in this department.

OC'd using software OC... might want to check voltage settings and look at getting from auto to manual sets. I cannot tell you how dangerous it is to allow software or bios to manage power especially anyone running gigabyte brand and lesser boards.

fps should be limited to 60fps at a constant anyone pushing less should tweak settings to hit that number. Anyone pushing more should be looking at monitor refresh rates and making sure it is still at a 1/1 ratio with fps or better.

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Well, of course SSD drives are awesome, but that's not going to improve your FPS. It *will* help with loading game files into the memory cache, no doubt!

WOFF loves CPU power, and plenty of it.


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#4030053 - 10/31/14 08:02 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Slick Wilhelm]  
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Originally Posted By: Slick Wilhelm
Well, of course SSD drives are awesome, but that's not going to improve your FPS. It *will* help with loading game files into the memory cache, no doubt!

WOFF loves CPU power, and plenty of it.


Yep, that's correct. Also, I hope the devs are busy working on transfering the load off of the CPU and on to the GPU. This will probably make the game a lot smoother.

#4030082 - 10/31/14 09:53 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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I noticed more load on my GPU after installing Ankors mod.

#4030122 - 10/31/14 11:49 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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While we are here, anybody recommend a good set of pedals and an ambidextrous stick?


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#4030159 - 11/01/14 01:09 AM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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I'm looking for pedals myself.
I love my CH pro throttle. The CH pro pedals required two tear downs and tinkering. Last time they started spiking I just boxed them and stuck them in the loft. They did work well for 6 years, got another 5 from two home repairs.

No clue on a lefty or ambi stick...

#4030209 - 11/01/14 05:40 AM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Hi Rick,Saitek Cyborg Evo is ambidextrous and gets some good reviews.I have been very happy with my Saitek pedals.

#4030580 - 11/02/14 11:24 AM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Slick Wilhelm]  
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Originally Posted By: Slick Wilhelm
Well, of course SSD drives are awesome, but that's not going to improve your FPS. It *will* help with loading game files into the memory cache, no doubt!

WOFF loves CPU power, and plenty of it.


A computer system is just that a computer system. If you improve the system, it improves the "system"

Setting core affinity is another area that can massively improve a system. A simple thing like setting all games off core 0 and onto 1,2,3 only and removing Joysticks/trackIR/Fraps and any other software you may use for games (Non window related) off cores 0,1,2 and 3

A nice tip is setting TrackIR to above normal priority. Windows is pretty good at managing priorities but this is a safe experiment for you to try. (Do not change to real time that is a anti virus or firewall priority) This will use more resources but give you a noticeable difference to how TrackIR performs.

Other small things like removing page file if you have 8gb or more ram and disabling indexing services if you do not use windows file search options. Can free up resources which can boost a systems performance.

CPU can influence your FPS, RAM usage can Influence your CPU. So HDD pulls can influence your FPS. To what extent ? That is a question that varies from computer to computer, but saying something in the same system does not influence a certain aspect of that system is not true. It is like saying car seats does not effect the drive of a car, say that when they give you a noticeable delay in feedback from the road.

To stay on subject SSD's are nice but RAID 0 HDD's are affordable. But then small things like running games from a secondary rather than your primary can improve performance. why go complicated and expensive when simple things can work.

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#4030596 - 11/02/14 12:42 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Freiherr_Wulff, generally speaking you're correct. But if someone has a limited budget to spend on an upgrade, then the question becomes "what is the most performance I can get without spending too much money?" or "bang for the buck". take a look at these articles to see others who have tested the effect of hard drive upgrades:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/12/10/hdd_vs_ssd_real_world_gaming_performance/#.VFYjOI3fodU

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-rift-ssd,3062-13.html

Also, I'd definately recommend a RAID system and set it up to protect you from hard drive failure.

#4030646 - 11/02/14 04:10 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Bang for buck is knowledge and that comes with the internet.

Fact is, if you are OCing non budget components on standard storage systems there is a questions to be asked. Do you really need to? Or is it just an addiction to a bragging process ? I used to flick heat plates off K6's and stripe back PII/III all the time. But why? see how far I could push them. It had nothing to do with performance and a lot of people who OC today fall into the same category I did then, braggers rights.

Lets OC a i7... really but we are on a budget? duh

How I look at it

If your computer is 3 years old and lacking go for the OC. But, only if you can replace parts when it goes tits up.

But you want inexpensive ways to speed up a computer, Flashdrive (ReadyBoost)

Better file management buy a 2nd HDD

Use Raid 0. Raid 0 can warn of a drive failure unless it is an instant but in those cases a stand HD would catch you out. How does Raid 0 warn you, its called sync identical HDD should make identical sounds. If one drive slows then a delay in the sound of HD clicks will be the result. Greater Pitch likely drive closer to you is failing a dull pitch further away.

Manuel setups of software is by far the cheapest and most beneficial just take the time to read.


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#4031908 - 11/05/14 05:28 AM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Ok, decision time. I'm going to start with the less controversial purchase first: controllers

Joystick 1

Joystick 2

Any thoughts? Does anyone know if you can ignore the twist rudder on those or turn it off? It seems they don't make a basic ambidextrous stick without a rudder twist anymore...

How about this:
Rudder Pedals 1

Rudder Pedals 2

I really liked my old CH pedals, is there anything better about the Saitek ones?

Thanks for the input guys, maybe this thread will help someone else in a controller search!


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#4032242 - 11/05/14 08:39 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Hey Rick,

Personally, I wouldn't touch anything made by MadCatz. I don't think they make quality gear that lasts.

As to the rudder pedals you listed, I used to use the CH Pro Pedals for many years. But when Saitek came out with the Pro Flight Pedals, I decided to try them. I found that I like them better than the CH Pro Pedals because your feet are set farther apart, which to me is more comfortable. I still use them(the Saitek) to this day.

Over my 23 years of PC flight simming, I've tried many different HOTAS sets. I always end up coming back to this faithful combination:

CH Fighterstick
CH Pro Throttle
Saitek Pro Flight Pedals


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GTX 2080 8 GB VRAM
2 x 1 TB SSD
32" Dell S3220DGF curved gaming monitor @ 2560 x 1440p @ 165 Hz
Sound BlasterX G6 External USB sound card
Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro Headphones
Thrustmaster TM16000 FCS HOTAS
Logitec Pro Flight Pedals
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#4032259 - 11/05/14 09:05 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Sorry Rick and i dont want to hijack your thread..ive always used a logitec extreme 3d pro a great stick that ive used for a few years now..its time for a new stick though anybody have any thoughts on the Thrustmaster T_Flight Hota x joystick..Thanks guys


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#4032590 - 11/06/14 03:45 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Slick Wilhelm]  
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Originally Posted By: Slick Wilhelm
Hey Rick,

Personally, I wouldn't touch anything made by MadCatz. I don't think they make quality gear that lasts.



What is MadCatz? Is it a lower level Saitek?


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#4032639 - 11/06/14 04:36 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Mad Catz is the manufacturer of those two joysticks you posted links to in your earlier post.

Yeah, definitely lower quality than Saitek.


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GTX 2080 8 GB VRAM
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32" Dell S3220DGF curved gaming monitor @ 2560 x 1440p @ 165 Hz
Sound BlasterX G6 External USB sound card
Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro Headphones
Thrustmaster TM16000 FCS HOTAS
Logitec Pro Flight Pedals
TrackIR 5
#4032768 - 11/06/14 09:02 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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hmm... Saitek is a brand of Mad Catz group ! wink

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#4032822 - 11/06/14 10:39 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Yeah, thanks corsaire, that's what my poorly-worded post was getting at. I was wondering if Saitek was the Mercury and MadCatz was the Ford... biggrin


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#4032838 - 11/06/14 11:12 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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I like the style of the 2nd stick better, but i wonder about the durability of the "soft touch rubber finish".

#4032939 - 11/07/14 04:44 AM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Ok, for part 2, How about something like this:

Motherboard/Processor Combo


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#4032996 - 11/07/14 11:35 AM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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I have just picked up my ASUS Z97 Pro with i7-4790k and a GTX 970.
I haven't done much testing yet... but what I've seen so far, I can say that I'm quite, quite happy.
It's a monster processor and it matches perfectly with Z97 boards. thumbsup

#4033239 - 11/07/14 09:30 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Originally Posted By: Rick_Rawlings
Ok, for part 2, How about something like this:

Motherboard/Processor Combo


Looks good to me, Rick.


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32" Dell S3220DGF curved gaming monitor @ 2560 x 1440p @ 165 Hz
Sound BlasterX G6 External USB sound card
Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro Headphones
Thrustmaster TM16000 FCS HOTAS
Logitec Pro Flight Pedals
TrackIR 5
#4033355 - 11/08/14 03:13 AM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Originally Posted By: Rick_Rawlings
Ok, for part 2, How about something like this:

Motherboard/Processor Combo


It's good.

Of course your free to spend your money however you please and I know that your mind is already made up, so, I'm not going to try to convince you that adding another $100 to your budget and you can get a better video card which will give more performance boost than the mobo/cpu combo.... yep

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Originally Posted By: OldHat

It's good.

Of course your free to spend your money however you please and I know that your mind is already made up, so, I'm not going to try to convince you that adding another $100 to your budget and you can get a better video card which will give more performance boost than the mobo/cpu combo.... yep

Thanks, Oldhat, I do appreciate the input. As a simple public servant, I do have a limited budget and the processor I have now is the older part of the cycle, so I decided to go with that first and maybe grab a card next year, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't go on giving the best advice you have, others will probably look over this thread and hopefully profit from it!


The older I get, the more I realize I don't need to be Han, Luke or Leia. I'm just happy to be rebel scum...
#4038177 - 11/20/14 01:37 AM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Rick, I'm curious to know if you have had a chance to try out your new hardware in WOFF. What change do you notice in Windows or WOFF from your old combo?

#4038214 - 11/20/14 04:05 AM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Hey, OldHat, I actually haven't loaded WOFF back up yet. To be honest, I was hoping that 2.0 would be imminently released and I could start fresh with everything. I have been Mechwarrioring a bit, and there is definitely improvement on that front...


The older I get, the more I realize I don't need to be Han, Luke or Leia. I'm just happy to be rebel scum...
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After my last surviving pilot died under highly suspicious controller input issues, I decided to update my old serial inputs with something made in the 20th century... I went with the Saitek AV8R Joystick and the Saitek pedals to match. The joystick was surprisingly robust and took up a reasonably good chunk of real estate on my desktop:

As you can see, compared to my old sidewinder, there's an embarrassment of riches when it comes to button choices:

The stick has a lot of programmable features that I haven't used yet, since it pretty much did what I wanted it to do out of the box. The spring tension feels pretty right and the rudder twist requires intent to use, which is good, since I am going to ignore it to use the pedals instead.
Pedal comparison:


I liked my original CH pedals, but I was recommended to go with the Saitek instead. They feel less durable to me and slide around the floor a bit, but I am willing to give them a shot. They also come with some set up abilities, but again, worked right out of the box. If these inputs last as long as my other ones did, they will be a true value indeed!


The older I get, the more I realize I don't need to be Han, Luke or Leia. I'm just happy to be rebel scum...
#4039507 - 11/22/14 08:15 PM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Me too..infact I wait two to three years before I think of a graphic card upgrade. I haven't yet got to a stage where I couldn't play a new release due to hardware restrictions (Actually I lie..some games are Win 8 only).

Originally Posted By: DukeIronHand
Originally Posted By: Slick Wilhelm

Once I build a new rig, I kind of ignore hardware for a year or two until it's time to think about a video card upgrade.


Good policy!

#4039602 - 11/23/14 01:04 AM Re: OT New Motherboard/Processor [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Rick, as seen below, I prevent my rudder pedals from moving by having them jammed up against the base of my computer desk. That's the best way, as any rudder pedal set will try to move forward as you use them.

Please excuse the Beagle hair on the pedals, I have two of them, and they shed horribly.



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GTX 2080 8 GB VRAM
2 x 1 TB SSD
32" Dell S3220DGF curved gaming monitor @ 2560 x 1440p @ 165 Hz
Sound BlasterX G6 External USB sound card
Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro Headphones
Thrustmaster TM16000 FCS HOTAS
Logitec Pro Flight Pedals
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