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#4012470 - 09/21/14 05:24 AM DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me...  
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...having so much trouble bringing her back to Earth in one piece.

I've already logged in the double digits with hours in this one, and I still can't land her to save my life. Here's a chronicle of some of my more survivable landings thus far:

At least I didn't need to use the chute...


Yep. Skidmarks.


The "gear extend" lever is way too close to the "canopy unlock" lever. But what lovely weather for top-down flying.


This'll be fun to explain when I get back to the squadron...


And finally, my first successful landing...



Props to Leatherneck for such an awesome aircraft and a realistic flight model, wow!


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#4012477 - 09/21/14 05:39 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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I had some trouble too, landing slightly faster than you think you should will help a lot. (I'm guessing from the look of it you're smacking down hard and breaking the gear because you're going too slow and the little wings won't give enough lift)

Keep in mind it has tougher landing gear because it's made for unprepared strips and use the chute. It's there for a reason. Both those features mean you can touch down at 400 km/h or so if you need to, which will give you a lot more lift to work with. On a normal runway the chute without brakes will easily stop you long before you reach the end. Watch your sink rate and don't be afraid to up the throttle as needed, most of my crashes were because I was too timid and was dropping too fast.

Apparently the other alternative is to fly a slower approach with a lot of pitch, but then you lose visibility so I don't really like it. The manual has a good section on landing and it's worth a read as those stubby wings take some getting used to. My take away from the mig so far is slow = bad biggrin .

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#4012489 - 09/21/14 06:45 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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My take away from the mig so far is slow = bad



Landings seem unnaturally fast but are much easier when you work up the courage to stick it down with hundreds of kph on the clock.

The Mig 21 is a seriously good module.

#4012533 - 09/21/14 12:16 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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During the final approach i keep my speed at 400 km/h then on the threshold i cut my throttle to idle and she usually land quite well. Don´t forget to open your drag chute.

#4012543 - 09/21/14 12:36 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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Ideally you should keep some power in on the MiG-21 all the way through until touchdown. The reason is, like the F-104, the MiG-21 has boundary layer control that ports some of the engine bleed air over the wing and/or flaps to prevent the early separation of airflow (resulting in a stall). The abrupt removal of the boundary layer airflow by cutting the throttle just before touchdown is akin to removing a good chunk of lift and can result in a significant increase in vertical speed. Roll it on with a bit of throttle would be my advice. I usually target around 370 over the threshold and 350 touchdown speed. Pop the chute immediately, it gives great stability during the rollout..

* I don't know if the Leatherneck MiG-21 simulates boundary layer control or not..but the approach speed seems to need to be high in this particular aircraft..

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#4012573 - 09/21/14 02:46 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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Pffft, the landing gear is just confusing ppl. Just do a hammerhead and when you're at the top, engine off, deploy chute.

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#4012601 - 09/21/14 04:26 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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Waitamoment... you can actually land the Mig without breaking or setting something on fire?

Inconceivable!


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#4012616 - 09/21/14 05:05 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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Does this count?

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#4012687 - 09/21/14 08:22 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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Originally Posted By: NavyNuke99
...having so much trouble bringing her back to Earth in one piece.



This may be the reason your recruiter steared you from air force to navy.

#4012691 - 09/21/14 08:29 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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from what I understand you want to touch down now slower than 380kph.

#4012721 - 09/21/14 09:56 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: piper]  
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Originally Posted By: piper
Originally Posted By: NavyNuke99
...having so much trouble bringing her back to Earth in one piece.



This may be the reason your recruiter steared you from air force to navy.



Hmmm... That must be why my officer package didn't get approved for Naval Aviator when I put it in way back in the day...


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#4012770 - 09/22/14 01:16 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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One thing to keep in mind is that if you cut your throttle, the BLS system will stop providing a -ton- of lift. Thus you may drop like a stone. Be careful and have fun. smile


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#4012826 - 09/22/14 06:42 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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great shots!!

#4013056 - 09/22/14 06:03 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: BeachAV8R]  
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Originally Posted By: BeachAV8R
Ideally you should keep some power in on the MiG-21 all the way through until touchdown. The reason is, like the F-104, the MiG-21 has boundary layer control that ports some of the engine bleed air over the wing and/or flaps to prevent the early separation of airflow (resulting in a stall). The abrupt removal of the boundary layer airflow by cutting the throttle just before touchdown is akin to removing a good chunk of lift and can result in a significant increase in vertical speed. Roll it on with a bit of throttle would be my advice. I usually target around 370 over the threshold and 350 touchdown speed. Pop the chute immediately, it gives great stability during the rollout..

* I don't know if the Leatherneck MiG-21 simulates boundary layer control or not..but the approach speed seems to need to be high in this particular aircraft..

BeachAV8R


Good to know, the manual seems to show this is modeled. I'm sure that has big consequences for a dead or damaged engine landing.

#4013727 - 09/24/14 04:12 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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Thanks for the feedback, guys! Good to know about the Boundary Layer, aka blown flaps being modeled- I'm still having a hard time getting used to such a fast, power-on approach without a meatball, AOA indicator, or tailhook. A few more recent landing shots:

These two chronicled what I believe was my fourth landing on this approach:




And this one I call, "Even a Blind Squirrel..." It felt like the most unnatural successful landing I've ever made in my flight sim career.


And guys, you weren't kidding about that chute stopping you fast! This was my very next landing:


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#4013736 - 09/24/14 04:54 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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Nice intact landing there yep .

You do have an AoA indicator, top right with the yellow and red zones at the top the gauge. Danger Zone should play every time you put it in the red pilot .

#4017563 - 10/03/14 01:11 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21, or Please Tell Me It's Not Just Me... [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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Ideally you should keep some power in on the MiG-21 all the way through until touchdown. The reason is, like the F-104, the MiG-21 has boundary layer control that ports some of the engine bleed air over the wing and/or flaps to prevent the early separation of airflow (resulting in a stall). The abrupt removal of the boundary layer airflow by cutting the throttle just before touchdown is akin to removing a good chunk of lift and can result in a significant increase in vertical speed.


That explains a lot...

A method I've discovered works pretty well is to come in a touch lower than the tutorial calls for, but on the same speeds. Cross the outer marker around 250-300 meters and the inner marker around 60-80 meters. As you come up on the threshold around 350 kph, leave your throttle where it is (or maybe reduce a bit) and flare early but slowly. Keep an eye on your VVI, and try to touch down as close to zero descent rate as you can. Once you're down, cut power and deploy the chute. You'll tend to land long until you get used to when to start the flare, but with that chute it really doesn't matter. Seriously, I've touched down on the far side of the second taxiway at Krymsk and still not needed the wheel brakes to get down to taxi speed in time.


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