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#4012450 - 09/21/14 04:24 AM Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music  
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This passes today for music vs. this (for just one example):



Which one, in your opinion, shows more respect for women and more creativity?

Again, just two examples, but very telling, IMO. And a BIG part of what is wrong in the West today.


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#4012456 - 09/21/14 04:42 AM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Or this...



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#4012457 - 09/21/14 04:46 AM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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There are things wrong in every single country in the world. Everyone has their own music preference. Most of my co-workers couldn't stand to listen to "knocking on heavens door" ...... they listen to rap. Their culture is different.

Not sure where you are wanting to go with this post


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#4012463 - 09/21/14 05:05 AM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Haggart]  
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Originally Posted By: Haggart
There are things wrong in every single country in the world. Everyone has their own music preference. Most of my co-workers couldn't stand to listen to "knocking on heavens door" ...... they listen to rap. Their culture is different.

Not sure where you are wanting to go with this post


Hmm, guessing that I want to go to the "all cultures are NOT equal" place.


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#4012465 - 09/21/14 05:12 AM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Not sure what the problem is here.

Beyonce and Destiny's Child are nice to watch, or the fact that Clapton remade a classic Bob Dylan song.

I'm from the "west"...no problems to report.

That is all.


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#4012468 - 09/21/14 05:22 AM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Well I wish rap music had never been written/invented but that's simply because it offends my ears in the same way that it would offend my eyes to watch Willie Nelson trying to dance like Michael Jackson.


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#4012469 - 09/21/14 05:22 AM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Originally Posted By: Li'lJugs


Hmm, guessing that I want to go to the "all cultures are NOT equal" place.


OK, I'll bite. In any genre of music, there's going to be genius level work, and there's going to be utter garbage. Listen to the lyrics of some of these songs, and compare them to the works of Clapton and others. Then compare "Bootylicious" (which technically falls more into the category of pop or R&B than anything else) with some of the rock being played on the radio today. Rap is and always has been about poetry. Because realistically, good poetry doesn't need top-notch musical talent behind it. Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen aren't legends because they have great singing voices- they're legends because of the lyrics they write and the stories they weave in their songs. Ditto for the legends of rap I've included below.







Meanwhile, this is rock music today:



I'd say that Beyonce has American Authors beat hands down. smile


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#4012473 - 09/21/14 05:28 AM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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All those are offensive to my ears

this isn't
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdBcfRhzzAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPHuQFN7L70 (Willie Nelson - Highwayman)


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#4012476 - 09/21/14 05:35 AM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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My musical preference, no matter what the genre (rock/country/blues/funk/bluegrass/classical/whatever).

Mastery of a musical instrument.

If you want to add singing, fine. If you want to dance too, that's ok (I could care less). Same for your costume and lightshow.

Just blow me away with how well you can play something! I usually don't care about your message or your looks, just your sound ability to play.

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#4012483 - 09/21/14 06:07 AM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Well I'm not a big rap fan but understand that there is two sides to that coin one is the rap the business and the other is rap the music. 50 Cent = the business while someone like Saul Williams is the music......



As far as music goes remember that rock n roll was once described the same way by my Grandparents generation that grew up on swing and big band music. Hip Hop has been around for 40yrs and isn't going anywhere. Look at DJ Grandmaster Flash and tell me he wasn't using the turntable as an instrument.



There is a lot of bad rap and a lot of good rap music out there. This discussion is much more along the lines of "to each their own".


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#4012484 - 09/21/14 06:07 AM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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NavyNuke99, OK, willing to stipulate that most of those examples are good stuff. Not my cupa tea, but still good, as in uplifting.

Fact remains, as I see it, most rap is just crap racist garbage.


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#4012486 - 09/21/14 06:17 AM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Thats what I love about Saul Williams, he sees rap as poetry to a beat not bragging about how much weed he smokes and how many fly honeys he has on his jock! Rap before the age of gangsta rap took over is more fun loving or about reality like Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five's The Message hell their song White Lines wasn't how awesome blow was but rather what it was doing to people.


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#4012527 - 09/21/14 12:09 PM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Gangsta rap is basically a story about the lives people live. Some are biographical or autobiographical, others are fictionalizations of real events. Really old-school rap, like Grandmaster Flash or the Sugar Hill Gang, was done for fun and usually didn't have any message or social commentary. Then there's KRS-ONE, who's probably the greatest MC ever and whose lyrics ALWAYS had a message.

It's a damn shame that rappers were being killed by other rappers because they were east coast or west side, but it's not like rappers have a monopoly on killing each other over stupid reasons and not presenting a united front.


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#4012547 - 09/21/14 12:37 PM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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The thing about musical instruments is very telling. Every now and again I hear a piece of pop, and what strikes me is that there is not a single actual musical instrument present. There will be a synthesised beat of some sort, maybe some other synthesised thing, but no actual musician playing music. The lack of human input, apart from the rather bland singing, makes the entire experience soulless for me.

#4012557 - 09/21/14 01:28 PM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Thee worst form of music has to be narocorridos.


#4012574 - 09/21/14 02:52 PM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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Music is a big part of what's wrong in the west, really? Is this a thread from 1953? "Dang kids with them electric guitars playing the Devil's music" ... LMAO

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Originally Posted By: Charlie_SB
Music is a big part of what's wrong in the west, really? Is this a thread from 1953? "Dang kids with them electric guitars playing the Devil's music" ... LMAO

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Yeah, I get what you are saying. I am getting along in years, and perhaps a "little" set in my ways, LOL.

Never the less, the culture has gone downhill at an alarming rate, IMO. And politics follows culture.

Hell, Obama was elected TWICE! If that's not enough to convince you, you are unconvincible.


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I've never quite understood arguments over something so subjective as music. There has always been essentially two types of music made,

1. Music meant to convey some kind of message (ie music intended as art).

2. Music made strictly for commercial purposes.


As for what music someone likes and doesn't like it all falls into one of those two categories. About the only thing that you can say is not subjective is the intent of the artist who made the music.


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There are two kinds of music
1. Music made before you turned 35
2. And the crap made after you turned 35
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#4012812 - 09/22/14 04:23 AM Re: Comparing music genres, re. rap vs. music [Re: Li'lJugs]  
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There are still artists that do it for the art.



Listen to the lyrics:

Quote:
Verse 1]
I rock spots with top-notch communication
On time like a stopwatch while others keep me waiting
Pop lock to a beat box while taking potshots at hard rocks
Who got their Glocks cocked and what not
Flocks jock the man in the drop top that cops stop
Yesterday had the block locked, but then he got knocked
Talk chops like the microphone's their home
But their ideas, their style and their life is monotone
In a flashback, it's all real instead of abstract
Should have been your own man instead of following the rat pack
Taken this instead of that path, calculate on that math

The writing's on the wall, graff style with cans and fat caps
The wind blows where it wishes, snakes are still vicious
World struggles for riches, rap lyrics still explicit
I kick it with the gifted, but everyone will miss it
They praise the man who built on the sand, but then it shifted
It's fatter than a lipid, we befriended the infinite
The cat who lived it, died, arose and then ascended
But heads still get lifted, they hear it then forget it
But they'll want to change their minds when it's finished

[Verse 2]
FM Radio is D.O.A., B, it's plain to see
It's N'Sync and LFO instead of NKOTB
It's all the same, CC your A&R ASAP
And tell him MTV really ain't the place to be
See, I did some R&B when most where high on THC
And caught a vision in the form of Run DMC and BDP
Because KRS was the one before VH could get in line
Behind the music, but today it's really the music that's behind
I find T&A on NBC without a question
So I tune into PBS to try to teach my child a lesson

Cats run weapons from Route 66 to the BQE
I push my beliefs over beats in encoded mp3's
I praise G-O-D for the O2 I get to breathe
And for the way he reads my heart and my mind like ESP
You communicate collectively, but still you're all alone
Your world minus the most high is monotone


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