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#3988333 - 07/30/14 02:57 PM B52 crash and broken arrow at Thule AFB  
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Hi all

I'm doing research for a Danish film production about the B52 crash near the Thule AFB back in 1968, more specific the radio and ship's internal coms for use in an audio montage to be included in the film. My hope is that someone here will be knowledgeable about how a B52 captain/crew would interact with each other and the outside world, so I can present the director with a script for the montage that is credible and as close to the truth as possible. I haven't been able to find any debrief or CVR transcript from the crew, so unless someone knows where to dig that up, a credible "remake" is the way to go.

The montage is going to be around 20 secs long, so the various snippets of chatter won't be in real time, but rather compressed together to make the viewer understand that the plane needs to be bailed out of.

Some questions to home in on what I need:

In case of an in-flight emergency, like the fire from the navigators compartment in this case, is it to be expected that the captain would get in touch with SAC and inform of the problem? Additionally, due to their proximity to Thule AFB, would they have contacted the tower to inform them of their emergency?

What emergency procedures are followed in the case of an in-flight fire in a B52 and what coms would be mandatory/expected between the crew? In 1968 with 4 thermonuclear munition in the bomb bay?

Is the ejection controlled individually, or done in groups/all at the same time?

Any help is enormously appreciated smile

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#3988370 - 07/30/14 04:18 PM Re: B52 crash and broken arrow at Thule AFB [Re: Vagnluv]  
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I'm pretty sure ejection was done individually. That's about all I've got.


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#3988373 - 07/30/14 04:23 PM Re: B52 crash and broken arrow at Thule AFB [Re: Vagnluv]  
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Lot of info online if you know where to look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash


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#3988418 - 07/30/14 05:56 PM Re: B52 crash and broken arrow at Thule AFB [Re: Vagnluv]  
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There is a section about this crash and the fallout that it caused (both literally and figuratively) in Command and Control.

http://www.amazon.com/Command-Control-Er...and+and+control


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#3988430 - 07/30/14 06:10 PM Re: B52 crash and broken arrow at Thule AFB [Re: Timothy]  
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Originally Posted By: Timothy
There is a section about this crash and the fallout that it caused (both literally and figuratively) in Command and Control.

http://www.amazon.com/Command-Control-Er...and+and+control


I've been meaning to get that book ever since I heard a radio interview with the author last Fall. Thanks for the remind.


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#3988454 - 07/30/14 07:04 PM Re: B52 crash and broken arrow at Thule AFB [Re: Vagnluv]  
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Thanks guys!

I've already been around all the easy to find info sites like wikipedia and such, but none of them contained what I describe looking for above. The book looks interesting, though.

#3988517 - 07/30/14 08:29 PM Re: B52 crash and broken arrow at Thule AFB [Re: Vagnluv]  
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Have you tried to contact the USAF for any declass information on the incident?


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#3988529 - 07/30/14 08:50 PM Re: B52 crash and broken arrow at Thule AFB [Re: Vagnluv]  
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Watch "Doctor Strangelove" for some good interaction inside a B-52. It may have been a comedy (Although a black one) but I thought that those parts were very realistic.


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#3988531 - 07/30/14 08:52 PM Re: B52 crash and broken arrow at Thule AFB [Re: Vagnluv]  
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Until Slim Pickens rode the H-bomb down, of course.


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#3988590 - 07/30/14 11:01 PM Re: B52 crash and broken arrow at Thule AFB [Re: Allaire]  
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Originally Posted By: Allaire
Have you tried to contact the USAF for any declass information on the incident?


I haven't, but now that you mention it, it makes sense to give it a go. You have any idea how you would go about such a thing?

Pooch: lol, love that movie!

#3988599 - 07/30/14 11:33 PM Re: B52 crash and broken arrow at Thule AFB [Re: Vagnluv]  
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You can contact the Air Force Public Affairs Agency at www.afpaa.af.mil/ with your request for the declass information that they can provide you with. Good luck because with standard US military, god only knows what is declass.


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#3988723 - 07/31/14 05:20 AM Re: B52 crash and broken arrow at Thule AFB [Re: arthur666]  
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Originally Posted By: arthur666
Originally Posted By: Timothy
There is a section about this crash and the fallout that it caused (both literally and figuratively) in Command and Control.

http://www.amazon.com/Command-Control-Er...and+and+control


I've been meaning to get that book ever since I heard a radio interview with the author last Fall. Thanks for the remind.


It's a good book, my only two complains are:

1. They make it look like the US just didn't care about safety.
2. Because the Soviet nukes were so secret, he brushes over them and almost implies their political structure precluded as much risk as ours.

It's scary to know the Titan II was able to launch from one user and no PAL codes.


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#3988784 - 07/31/14 11:31 AM Re: B52 crash and broken arrow at Thule AFB [Re: Vagnluv]  
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I got this book for my birthday and have now seen it covered on 60 Minutes and here.. I guess that's a sign I should start reading it. Just about to finish Viper Pilot by Dan Hampton. It's fantastic. Doesn't seem like he holds back when it comes to opinions of the French, Iranian and Iraqi fighting effectiveness at all. And some of some military brass for that matter. Digging it though.


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