#3987081 - 07/28/14 01:10 PM
July 28, 1914
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Vienna 28 July 1914
The Royal Serbian Government not having answered in a satisfactory manner the note of July 23, 1914, presented by the Austro-Hungarian Minister at Belgrade, the Imperial and Royal Government are themselves compelled to see to the safeguarding of their rights and interests, and, with this object, to have recourse to force of arms.
Austria-Hungary consequently considers herself henceforward in state of war with Serbia.
Count Berchtold
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And so it began...
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#3987226 - 07/28/14 04:16 PM
Re: July 28, 1914
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Well, it was the last move - putting the torch on the fuse, so to say. The whole story had only culminated in the beginning of open violence. But the story begins much earlier.
For all who want to know more, I recommend William Jannen's book "The Lions of July". Great insight in the diplomatic activies, failures and misinformations short before the fuse was ignited.
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#3987235 - 07/28/14 04:24 PM
Re: July 28, 1914
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#3987307 - 07/28/14 06:07 PM
Re: July 28, 1914
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Well, it was the last move - putting the torch on the fuse, so to say. The whole story had only culminated in the beginning of open violence. But the story begins much earlier.
For all who want to know more, I recommend William Jannen's book "The Lions of July". Great insight in the diplomatic activies, failures and misinformations short before the fuse was ignited. An even better and more modern book is Christopher Clark's The Sleepwalkers: How Europe Went to War in 1914. It came out last year and is already considered a classic work of history.
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#3987365 - 07/28/14 07:44 PM
Re: July 28, 1914
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Good title! The high society of that time might have been "amused to death"... Thx for the tip, Hasse!
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#3987593 - 07/29/14 05:27 AM
Re: July 28, 1914
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An even better and more modern book is Christopher Clark's The Sleepwalkers: How Europe Went to War in 1914. It came out last year and is already considered a classic work of history.
+1 for that. It's available in German too, I believe.
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#3987608 - 07/29/14 07:08 AM
Re: July 28, 1914
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I get the impression that most people wanted a war and were very happy when war was declared. The French especially wanted revenge for 1870 and the British and Germans had been having a naval arms race for 15 years or so. As it ended up, being on a battleship was one way of staying alive. (Unless you were on HMS Lion).
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#3987861 - 07/29/14 04:54 PM
Re: July 28, 1914
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Well, a huge difference is, that Austria-Hungary is no "superpower" anymore, and that Germany has found it's accepted place among the leading European nations, and works together with them instead of working against them.
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#3987906 - 07/29/14 05:49 PM
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By the way... did Austria/Hungary have any Colonies? ...never heard of...
Yes, but not much - the Nicobar islands mostly. Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_colonial_policyBut then they had ruled over parts of the Balkans, which is similar to colonial politics IMHO.
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#3989377 - 08/01/14 04:06 PM
Re: July 28, 1914
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I guess they really believed that. It seems to stand for a general secureness of victory - none of the parties seemed to have been aware of how hard and terrible it would be, and how long to wrestling of highly industrialised nations would take.
That confirms me in the belief, that most politicians are lacking any higher forms of phantasy and imagination.
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#3989461 - 08/01/14 07:29 PM
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Au contraire mon frère! They seem to have an abundance of phantasy and imagination and very little hold on reality and financial frugality. IMHO
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#3989491 - 08/01/14 09:00 PM
Re: July 28, 1914
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Or on the other hand, as Clemenceau would say : " War is a too serious thing to let it run by soldiers !" ( which he said when someone proposed him to nominate a general as minister of war ) which we could adapt these days to : " Economy is a too serious thing to let it run by financiers !"
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#3989565 - 08/02/14 01:48 AM
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Or on the other hand, as Clemenceau would say : " War is a too serious thing to let it run by soldiers !" ( which he said when someone proposed him to nominate a general as minister of war ) which we could adapt these days to : " Economy is a too serious thing to let it run by financiers !" +1
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