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#3986302 - 07/26/14 03:53 PM My first Balloon in WOFF  
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Several times I have read about WOFF balloon busting missions, where the pilot
swears he shot down the balloon, but didn't get it confirmed.

Now I just made my first balloon attack in WOFF, I approached the sausage well
and shot it down in the first go; and the claim notes sound promising ("Probable");
I guess I will receive it.
So I further assume, that the unluckier pilots only thought, they shot the balloon down,
but it was really shot down by the balloon base's own defensive fire.



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#3986349 - 07/26/14 05:12 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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Olham;

It's hard to believe with all the flying you have done that you haven't had a balloon busting assignment. That in itself is amazing! Hope you get the credit for it! Getting credit for balloons is not easy. There are so many variables at play.


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#3986354 - 07/26/14 05:20 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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Well, it wasn't my first assignment for a balloon busting mission - only the first I accepted. biggrin
I never felt like doing that job before, and went out of and back into campaign again.
I usually get another mission that way.
I guess "Alternative target" might do the same, and even simpler?


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#3986365 - 07/26/14 05:34 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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No, "alternative target" just sends your squad after a different balloon.

The odd thing I've had happen in WOFF regarding balloons is knowing I hit the correct balloon and being told to repeat the mission because the balloon wasn't destroyed and destroying it is vital to the war effort.

#3986374 - 07/26/14 06:01 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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I think it was Red Baron 2 where the balloons actually got pulled down as you approached, which means you had to hurry to get it done. That was pretty cool! Balloon busting missions are actually one of the easier ones in WOFF, I find...


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#3986400 - 07/26/14 07:13 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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Sounds odd, MudWasp.
You could - like I did also - mark the balloon on your TAC, and command your flight to attack it too.
My men even fired at the ground installations after me blowing up the sausage.
Perhaps that's what the WOFF manager wants to see? Try it out!


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#3986403 - 07/26/14 07:16 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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It's also happened to me that the target balloon is most definitely destroyed, but for some reason WOFF doesn't recognize it.


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#3986404 - 07/26/14 07:20 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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I believe that balloons were not counted as victories by the British. I think the Americans did, with Frank Luke their greatest exponent. Dunno about the Germans, doubtless someone will put me right.


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#3986407 - 07/26/14 07:26 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Originally Posted By: Rick_Rawlings
Balloon busting missions are actually one of the easier ones in WOFF, I find...


I agree about them being easy; too easy, fact. In whatever I've read, pilots were none too excited about balloon missions, but getting them in WOFF is nothing, maybe a few holes in my plane at the worst. Is there a way (maybe something for the devs) to increase the amount and accuracy of the mg and flak around them, without just changing the overall ground accuracy setting? maybe some extra EA flying above them?

#3986410 - 07/26/14 07:37 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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Balloons are a way to easy in the Sim considering pilots thought they where suicide missions. Specific tactics had to be thought up to take them down. They'd be surrounded by AA fire which also included burning\flaming onions.

#3986413 - 07/26/14 07:46 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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In OFF, prior to WOFF, I liked the "strong balloon" mod by Bletchley.

#3986417 - 07/26/14 07:56 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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The ground fire can be set more or less accurate, if you want that - or was that only in OFF?

Jim, the Germans counted balloons as victories, but some, like Manfred von Richthofen, didn't
attack balloons, while others (likec Erich Loewenhardt) were specialists.
From reading German reports, they didn't seem to regard them a "suicide missions" - but surely
with a lot of respect. After all, they couldn't only get downed by Flak - balloons were often
shielded by defensive scout groups.

Here's one from the British engineers - the killing of the "Adler von Drama" or the "Eagle of the Aegean Sea":

The Eagle of the Aegean Sea


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#3986422 - 07/26/14 08:17 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Originally Posted By: Rick_Rawlings
I think it was Red Baron 2 where the balloons actually got pulled down as you approached, which means you had to hurry to get it done. That was pretty cool! Balloon busting missions are actually one of the easier ones in WOFF, I find...


As they do in ROF also.

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#3986493 - 07/26/14 11:17 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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Balloons are definitely far too easy in WOFF. In campaigns I now have a house rule not to chase them unless they're right on top of me, or I'm on a balloon busting mission. In one of the SPAD missions I shot down I think 4 in one go.

A simple fix would be to have an enemy scout squad patrolling near the balloon.

#3986507 - 07/26/14 11:48 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: CatKnight]  
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Originally Posted By: CatKnight
Balloons are definitely far too easy in WOFF. In campaigns I now have a house rule not to chase them unless they're right on top of me, or I'm on a balloon busting mission.


I follow this rule too. It would be nice if they were wheeled down as this would limit their availability to shoot at and also draw you closer to the a.a. That, or make the Archy gunners much more accurate in a zone of a mile or so around the balloon. Perhaps in later patch?


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#3986563 - 07/27/14 02:28 AM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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I agree balloons are too easy, but the frustrating part of the balloon missions is the game very seldom gives you credit for successfully completing the mission. Just tonight, I had a balloon mission where four of us attacked a balloon, destroyed it, and upon ending the mission we were told that the balloon wasn't destroyed and we would have to run the mission again. The next day five of us attacked the balloon, destroyed it, and upon ending the mission we were told that the balloon wasn't destroyed. What gives? Do we have to destroy the ground support vehicles as well as the balloon?


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#3986636 - 07/27/14 09:56 AM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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As I said, the final message might mean that YOU didn't destroy the balloon.
You saw it going up in flames when you fired at it, but if it was ground fire
from the balloon base accidently destroying the balloon, then you won't
receive that kill, as the sim manager knows, it wasn't you who "killed" it.


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#3987173 - 07/28/14 02:42 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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Well, I think that this is "merely" a little progamming issue...
I have downed roundabout 50 Ballons and got every single one of it confirmed ALTHOUGH not one Ballon-Mission was accounted for a Succes. I fly this Missons with TAC and Flight Instructor and everything on - just, to be sure. I have also downed every Ballon in a whole Area.
As I said, I always get the credits for them, but no succes.
Personally, I find this not overly distracting, and I am sure, that this issue will disappear within an update some time. Until then I see Ballon-Missions as cheap Victories charge

#3987283 - 07/28/14 05:21 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Nietzsche]  
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Originally Posted By: Nietzsche
As I said, I always get the credits for them, but no succes.


This is a problem that may have come back again. OBD fixed this problem in Update v1.14 (Item 12). Then it snuck back in and was fixed again in Update v1.25 (Item 4). The problem: You get credit for the balloon but no mission success and have to rerun the mission (sometimes multiple times). Make sure you are running with Update v1.26 before reporting it officially to OBD. I run 3rd Party Mission Types and have removed balloon bust missions so I no longer see this.


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#3987289 - 07/28/14 05:32 PM Re: My first Balloon in WOFF [Re: Olham]  
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Ah! That was a Question I had in Mind...
What is "3rd Party Mission" anyway? Flying also for HYDRA? lawncareby20mm
I'll go check it out...

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