#3985434 - 07/24/14 03:46 PM
Tech Talk: Spandau
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Greetings to everyone! I've been playing WOFF for a few weeks now - and I'm still impressed about this well crafted game To topic: I have already seen, how historically correct WOFF is, so I am puzzled about how unreliable the Spandau-LMG was... Until some days before my Character was piloting a Fokker EIII (no Fokker-Scourge Add-on), and I was rarely able to shoot a Salvo of more than approx. 15 Rounds without a Gun-Jam. Sure, the Maxim-Working-Mechanism looks odd from a nowaday's point of view (it has something of an automated Revolver LOL), but I think the Mechanism itself would have been quite failure-proof. Are these Problems caused by the Interruptor-Gear? The side-mounted MG14s on the Aviatics for Example are relatively reliable in comparison (MG14 is a technically slightly modified Variant of the Maxim-Principle, though). The Interruptor seems to work with a flexible Steel Cable No Wonder, Immelmann shot his own Propeller into pieces...
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#3985447 - 07/24/14 04:08 PM
Re: Tech Talk: Spandau
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At least now in WOFF you can try to unjam, in OFF you just had to fly home ! A big progress.
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#3985450 - 07/24/14 04:16 PM
Re: Tech Talk: Spandau
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Firstly: welcome over Flanders fields, Nietzsche! With that name you should be prepared for quite some hardships, I guess? Three rounds seems a bit low for a burst, or maybe Pol meant: 3 per gun - I usually have jams after bursts of ca. 2 seconds and more; while I have very few jams with bursts of ca. 1 second. If they jam, hit the unjam command every few seconds. You may hear yourself cursing, and using a hammer. The jams usually get unjammed after some time. Good luck!
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#3985464 - 07/24/14 04:50 PM
Re: Tech Talk: Spandau
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Hmm... A rattling Garden Chair with Wings seems to be a tough Environment for any complex Mechanism - I haven't taken into Consideration, that a "Place" like this differs a lot from a well-tempered, Dust-free Room, in which such a Gun surely was invented and tested... Even more astonishing, that probably a lot of these Pilots managed to get these Things working again while still in the air... Guys like us could do little more than fetch the Navigation-System and type in the following Key-Words: "Fokker - Service - Flanders" Thanks for the welcome @Olham: Hard Times are over - I don't have to fly this crappy EIII no more LOL
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#3985486 - 07/24/14 05:19 PM
Re: Tech Talk: Spandau
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I have been reading about the Gotha raids later in the war and often fighter pilots would intercept but be able to do nothing as they got multiple gun jams. A pilot named Bob Hall often found the Gothas but never managed to bring one down.
You can switch 'gun jams' off in the workshops but that is not allowed in all levels of the DID Campaign as it is not realistic.
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#3985497 - 07/24/14 05:42 PM
Re: Tech Talk: Spandau
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I wonder, how much the belts might have to do with stoppages - after all they were only made of fabric; getting moist and then cold up there?
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#3985512 - 07/24/14 05:58 PM
Re: Tech Talk: Spandau
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I have relocated the "attempt unjam" to the Thumb-Button of my Joystick since Misson #2... need a new Thumb-Button, soon LOL The Belt might indeed be the major Problem... when the Textile soaks up Moist & freezes, it will increase the Diameter - and will thus no longer fit through the feeding and get stuck. I guess, you can't do anything in that case, except hoping for warm weather,soon... Here is an excellent, transparent Animation of the Working Mechanism of the original Maxim-Concept: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiFGKWPSaas
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#3985513 - 07/24/14 06:00 PM
Re: Tech Talk: Spandau
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Firstly: welcome over Flanders fields, Nietzsche! With that name you should be prepared for quite some hardships, I guess? Three rounds seems a bit low for a burst, or maybe Pol meant: 3 per gun - I usually have jams after bursts of ca. 2 seconds and more; while I have very few jams with bursts of ca. 1 second. Quite right I meant 3 seconds Olham not 3 rounds. edited.
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#3985872 - 07/25/14 01:26 PM
Re: Tech Talk: Spandau
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Well, I dunno but there is that famous case of a machine-gun company firing Vickers over something like ten hours with a thousand barrels and a zillion cartridges. They had to put their tea and pee into the guns to stop them overheating. Maybe they had good guys behind them examining each cartridge?
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#3985896 - 07/25/14 02:22 PM
Re: Tech Talk: Spandau
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I read in "Open Cockpit", that the flight leader of Arthur G. Lee fired his guns when they had reached service ceiling, and then again before he would dive on any enemy planes. Just a short burst, to see if they would work and maybe to warm them up.
After all, the guns had to operate at very cold temperatures up there.
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#3986218 - 07/26/14 09:01 AM
Re: Tech Talk: Spandau
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From Wiki: "The weapon had a reputation for great solidity and reliability. Ian V. Hogg, in Weapons & War Machines, describes an action that took place in August 1916, during which the British Army's 100th Company of the Machine Gun Corps fired their ten Vickers guns continuously for twelve hours. Using 100 new barrels, they fired a million rounds without a single failure. "It was this absolute foolproof reliability which endeared the Vickers to every British soldier who ever fired one."
That means that each gun fired 100,000 rounds! And each barrel lasted for 10000 rounds. They don't mention stoppages and jams though.
A bit of maths shows that the rpm average was 138.88 Wiki again: "its cyclic rate of fire was between 450 and 600 rounds per minute. In practice, it was expected that 10,000 rounds would be fired per hour, and that the barrel would be changed every hour—a two-minute job for a trained team."
That means 100,000 rounds in ten hours which seems to be correct with ten barrels per gun.
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Exodus
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