#3975990 - 07/02/14 04:27 PM
Navigation Question
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MFair
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For you hardcore flyers out there, which I aspire to be.
I understand navigation. Go northeast for 1 hr. at 100 mph. and you have traveled northeast and gone 100 miles. In the flight sim, say for a bombing or airfield attack mission, it is hard to see an airfield at that height much less hit it, and circling around enemy territory for long periods of time trying to find is bad for ones health. I know you do not have to be too many degrees off for a while and you are miles from your target.
Waypoints, How in the heck do you precisely hit a waypoint?
I am setting up a second monitor, open my (thanks Lou!) map with paint and using it to draw the route. When the mission is over, undo, and redraw new mission. I think that will suit me.
Any pointers are appreciated, and thanks in advance.
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#3975992 - 07/02/14 04:40 PM
Re: Navigation Question
[Re: MFair]
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RAF_Louvert
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MFair, you can see aerodromes, roads, rail lines, and rivers from 16,000' as this is the altitude I do all my recce flights at for WOFF mapping purposes. That being said, you will likely only be up at about 8'000' to 10,000' as this seems to be where the bulk of the WOFF missions operate at. Drawing in your mission route as you describe works great and you can continue to make adjustments and notes on your map as you fly said mission. Use the roads, rail lines, rivers, lakes, and woods as your navigation aids and you should do just fine MFair. And remember, it was not unusual for our RL counterparts to get lost at times during their missions, so you're in good company.
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#3976005 - 07/02/14 04:55 PM
Re: Navigation Question
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corsaire31
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For the waypoints it's simple. I just ignore them and make my own flight plan using specific landmarks on Lou's maps. This way I make short legs from one landmark to the other which limits risks of flying off course on a long leg.
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#3976010 - 07/02/14 05:08 PM
Re: Navigation Question
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Stuntie
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Fly IFR "I follow Roads".
Check the map for spottable features and make a note. E.g. Fly NE 10 miles till the kidney shaped lake is just of to my left. Then turn left and fly to within sight of the crossing over the river - next to the bit that bends back on itself. etc.
A big problem with 'fly north at 100mph for 1 hr' is that if the wind is blowing towards you left front side for instance you will be blown back and to the right. You could end up miles away in the wrong spot after an hour, so you will need to compensate for things like that. Best to combine it with frequent landmarks to help you know if you are getting blown off course and how much to compensate for. i.e. if in the above you arrive to the right and slighly ahead of the kidney shaped lake 15 mins ahead of whern you expected to be there you can take the little bit off course information and adjust the flight accordingly e.g. fly a bit to the left of your planned direction, and slightly slower to compensate for being right and ahead of time.
A basic 'learn to fly' book will cover all the basics and show you how to use the modern navigation tools (not really modern but post WW1), but most of this period was flown by dead reckoning and experience to get a rough fix, and check the map when you get close. Map and a stopwatch/clock is all you really need.
Cheers Stuntie.
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#3976141 - 07/02/14 10:55 PM
Re: Navigation Question
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corsaire31
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After a good long WW1 flight in lousy weather like I had earlier today in the Spad challenge, my evening FSX Air Hauler flight on the Alaska coast was very comfortable with VOR/DME, NDBs, GPS and ILS/lights for the runway ! And I can have ATC as a backup !
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#3976176 - 07/03/14 01:26 AM
Re: Navigation Question
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77_Scout
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Regarding waypoints, like Corsaire and Shiloh said you have the choice to just ignore them and make your own way to the target. A minor problem is that WOFF will (I think) sometimes penalize you with an unsuccessful mission ... because you never arrived at the early waypoints then WOFF doesn't look for you arriving at the target.
If you see that this is happening (i.e. the debrief tells you that you never reached the target area, when you know you did) then there is a way around the problem. The solution is to use the 'advance waypoint' function, which is shift-w, to tell WOFF to skip the early waypoints and only look at the target waypoint. About a minute after takeoff, hit shift-w once to skip past the 'circling climb' waypoint, then hit shift-w again if there is another waypoint ( 'waypoint 1' or 'waypoint A' ) between you and the target that you want to skip. At that point, WOFF should have the target as your next waypoint, and if you arrive there then you should get credit for it.
To get the hang of it, try a few test flight with the TAC on and you will see how using shift-w skips through the waypoints.
Or just say 'screw it' and live with the odd unsuccessful mission. It's not a big deal. Also, don't lead the flight and your problem is solved.
P.S. The skip waypoint function is also great for telling your flight leader to 'get on with it' when following him through that boring 'circling climb' phase. Hit shift-w once the circling-climb begins and he will head off directly on the mission.
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#3980785 - 07/14/14 04:28 PM
Re: Navigation Question
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Olham
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Two tips for flying without aids:
- fly higher than the orders say
- run away, when you are outnumbered by the specs you see - no matter what they are (you can often find that out later)
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#3980842 - 07/14/14 06:53 PM
Re: Navigation Question
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Slick Wilhelm
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Any tips for me to allow me to stay in pretty good formation for the climbout? The only time I've run into this problem is when I was in a squadron flying a Nieuport 17, and my squaddies were flying Nieuport 23's. Are you flying the exact same model plane as the rest of your flight?
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#3980855 - 07/14/14 07:22 PM
Re: Navigation Question
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Wolfstriked
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Whole squad is flying Nieuport 11's.Its not like I lose sight of them but I find that I have to be constantly on the edge of stalling and it can get annoying when they still start to break away.I hope its just the bebe's. I just wanna add that I also purchased the skin pack and absolutely love it.Skins are not something I really care about yet these skins are like crack! Superb work and IMO well worth the price as they really draw you in!
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Exodus
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