#3975387 - 07/01/14 12:00 PM
Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope
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Phantom Menace sucked eggs because of three things:
Jar Jar wonder kid Anakin Natalie Portman is a horrible actress and ruins every movie she is in ( kind of like what Harrison Ford does now )
Of course that's assuming one can overlook the ridiculous plot and associated contrivances needed to propel it forward to a successful climactic fizzle. ( as is the case with much mass-market sci-fi, a healthy dose of handwavium and willing suspension of eye-rolling is required to enjoy it. ) I found NP the solely reason to watch these (had something to look at ). Everything about EP 1-3 is nicely summed up in RedLetterMedia reviews. For me, EP 1-3 suck because they were tailored towards kids (towards maximum profit). Lucas started that in EP6 ROTJ with Ewoks.
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#3975393 - 07/01/14 12:17 PM
Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope
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For me, EP 1-3 suck because they were tailored towards kids (towards maximum profit). Lucas started that in EP6 ROTJ with Ewoks.
The original trilogy was no less nor more juvenile than the prequels. Both trilogies had their fair share of campiness, light hearted one-liners and goofy aliens.
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#3975399 - 07/01/14 12:32 PM
Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope
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It sure was. StarWars is nothing more than a fairy tale in space. The old one had class, the new ones had none. Simple as that. Much like today games vs. ones in late '90. When graphics was poor emphasis was on content and storyline. Today we only have fancy graphics and CGI in movies. But maybe I am just getting older.
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#3975430 - 07/01/14 01:19 PM
Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope
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People's age, what they grew up with, and culture has a massive bearing on their opinions of these films. Seeing the original trilogy today, even with all the updated effects, it often appears dated because, frankly, they move slower at times than you get today. While they were hailed for being fast and furious when they came out (especially compared to SF like 2001 and Planet of the Apes and Silent Running), they're almost quaint now compared to what is regularly released. So the only way to replicate that experience for our children is to make sure they watch basically NO other films or TV before they see it, which is obviously impossible. The fact that we all aged two decades between the first and second trilogies is a major factor in our perceptions of it, and to deny that is to place all the responsibility for changes in your outlook on the world on the shoulders of George Lucas, which is lunacy. The Jedi Master
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#3975523 - 07/01/14 03:50 PM
Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope
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I think Portman is a good actress. She was just miscast as Amidala.
And Raw brought up a good point about the new characters in TPM being forgettable. Take Qui Gon Jinn for example. Liam Neeson is a fantastic actor with lots of screen presence but he couldn't make the character work. Eps 1,2,3 were completely mis-casted. the only one that was kinda done right was the chancellor
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#3975545 - 07/01/14 04:23 PM
Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope
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the only one that was kinda done right was the chancellor
Maybe that's because that same actor played Palpatine in ROTJ? Anyway, I thought Ewan McGregor was very good as Obi Wan.
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#3975558 - 07/01/14 04:49 PM
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My wife never watched the original Star Wars films until a few years ago. She never saw the newer 1-3 in theaters either. She MUCH prefers the originals.
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#3975599 - 07/01/14 06:59 PM
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I like Ewan, but more in the first movie. After that he seems a little too "Kings of Leon" rather than Jedi. Also too much of a young guy acting FAR older than he was and it just wasn't very believable in Ep 2 & 3.
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#3975610 - 07/01/14 07:15 PM
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I like Ewan, but more in the first movie. After that he seems a little too "Kings of Leon" rather than Jedi. Also too much of a young guy acting FAR older than he was and it just wasn't very believable in Ep 2 & 3. It was only 20 years between the end of Revenge of the Sith and ANH so yeah, the age difference was too much of a stretch but putting that aside, I think Ewan was a good casting choice.
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#3975618 - 07/01/14 07:21 PM
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I think Portman is a good actress. She was just miscast as Amidala. She was terrible in the Thor movies too, IMO.
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#3975628 - 07/01/14 07:26 PM
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Her character is too one-dimensional there. Not sure if that's the fault of the screenwriters or the original comic.
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#3975671 - 07/01/14 08:49 PM
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Is character code for "chest"?
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#3975681 - 07/01/14 09:32 PM
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I find that the prequel trilogy puts a lot more emphasis on 'flash', and less on 'substance'. I know none of the star wars films are exactly substance heavy, but as an example think about the climatic lightsaber fights of Episode 3 & 6.
Episode 3: A little bit of 'you're bad! No, you're bad!' chat at the start, then something like 15 minutes of whoom, whoosh, swoom, zap, crackle. Entertaining for the first couple of minutes, then dull.
Episode 6: Lots of talking, obvious conflict with Luke not wanting to fight, some good swordplay in there, then a dramatic change at the end, stirring and different music emphasising darkness, then ratcheting the tension up with the Emperor joining in.
No comparison in my opinion.
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#3975721 - 07/01/14 10:50 PM
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Is character code for "chest"? lol. You know me well.
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#3975897 - 07/02/14 12:44 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying that you are somehow more qualified to have a valid opinion than others because you really liked SW all your life? Do you think that others who have been just as invested in them from when they were young for some reason don't have the same qualifications to have a valid opinion? I'm saying they can't claim that I don't like the originals enough, and when they present their opinion as if theirs is the only possible interpretation and I have to be deluded to disagree, that there's really far less difference between the two than they claim. In other words, their opinions are based on faulty facts which they continually point to as proof that they are right when really it's just THEIR opinion and the so-called facts do NOT support their conclusion. As already mentioned, the dialogue. The original cast has stated numerous times how awful they thought it was, and then people complain the new films had bad dialogue but the originals somehow did not...when in fact, they did as well. So I must be crazy to say the prequels really aren't much worse because of this list of so-called facts which, when examined, is nothing but a list of similar opinions. They justify an opinion with other opinions but call them facts. So instead of just saying "I didn't like it as much" they try and support it with a litany of "facts" that are NOT correct, inviting criticism that couldn't be levied if they'd simply said "I didn't like it as much." The Jedi Master
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#3976059 - 07/02/14 07:04 PM
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instead of waiting until the franchise was old news. That didn't seem to hurt the box office numbers for Phantom Menace, total box office: 1,027,044,677 And this is in 1999 Dollars so it means that much more.
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