Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4
#3975387 - 07/01/14 12:00 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: Clydewinder]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 331
T}{OR Offline
[DBS]
T}{OR  Offline
[DBS]
Member

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 331
Croatia, Zagreb
Originally Posted By: Clydewinder
Phantom Menace sucked eggs because of three things:

Jar Jar
wonder kid Anakin
Natalie Portman is a horrible actress and ruins every movie she is in ( kind of like what Harrison Ford does now )


Of course that's assuming one can overlook the ridiculous plot and associated contrivances needed to propel it forward to a successful climactic fizzle. ( as is the case with much mass-market sci-fi, a healthy dose of handwavium and willing suspension of eye-rolling is required to enjoy it. )


I found NP the solely reason to watch these (had something to look at smile ). Everything about EP 1-3 is nicely summed up in RedLetterMedia reviews.

For me, EP 1-3 suck because they were tailored towards kids (towards maximum profit). Lucas started that in EP6 ROTJ with Ewoks.

Inline advert (4th to 5th topic)

#3975393 - 07/01/14 12:17 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: T}{OR]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
PanzerMeyer Online centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Online Centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
Miami, FL USA
Originally Posted By: T}{OR

For me, EP 1-3 suck because they were tailored towards kids (towards maximum profit). Lucas started that in EP6 ROTJ with Ewoks.

The original trilogy was no less nor more juvenile than the prequels. Both trilogies had their fair share of campiness, light hearted one-liners and goofy aliens.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
#3975399 - 07/01/14 12:32 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 331
T}{OR Offline
[DBS]
T}{OR  Offline
[DBS]
Member

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 331
Croatia, Zagreb
It sure was. StarWars is nothing more than a fairy tale in space. The old one had class, the new ones had none. Simple as that.

Much like today games vs. ones in late '90. When graphics was poor emphasis was on content and storyline. Today we only have fancy graphics and CGI in movies.


But maybe I am just getting older. smile

#3975430 - 07/01/14 01:19 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 49,716
Jedi Master Offline
Entil'zha
Jedi Master  Offline
Entil'zha
Sierra Hotel

Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 49,716
Space Coast, USA
People's age, what they grew up with, and culture has a massive bearing on their opinions of these films. Seeing the original trilogy today, even with all the updated effects, it often appears dated because, frankly, they move slower at times than you get today.
While they were hailed for being fast and furious when they came out (especially compared to SF like 2001 and Planet of the Apes and Silent Running), they're almost quaint now compared to what is regularly released.

So the only way to replicate that experience for our children is to make sure they watch basically NO other films or TV before they see it, which is obviously impossible.

The fact that we all aged two decades between the first and second trilogies is a major factor in our perceptions of it, and to deny that is to place all the responsibility for changes in your outlook on the world on the shoulders of George Lucas, which is lunacy. smile



The Jedi Master


The anteater is wearing the bagel because he's a reindeer princess. -- my 4 yr old daughter
#3975438 - 07/01/14 01:31 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
PanzerMeyer Online centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Online Centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
Miami, FL USA
+1 Jedi Master.


I know several people who didn't see Star Wars until they were already adults and their reception of the film varies greatly from people who saw ANH as a kid or a teenager. Nostalgia works in funny ways and it usually works at a subconscious level.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
#3975523 - 07/01/14 03:50 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 17,632
SkateZilla Offline
Skate Zilla Graphics
SkateZilla  Offline
Skate Zilla Graphics
Veteran

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 17,632
Virginia Beach, VA
Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
I think Portman is a good actress. She was just miscast as Amidala.

And Raw brought up a good point about the new characters in TPM being forgettable. Take Qui Gon Jinn for example. Liam Neeson is a fantastic actor with lots of screen presence but he couldn't make the character work.


Eps 1,2,3 were completely mis-casted.

the only one that was kinda done right was the chancellor


HAF922, Corsair RM850, ASRock Fata1ity 990FX Pro,
Modified Corsair H100, AMD FX8350 @ 5.31GHz, 16GB G.SKILL@DDR2133,
2x R7970 Lightnings, +1 HD7950 @ 1.1/6.0GHz, Creative XFi Fata1ity Platinum Champ.,
3x ASUS VS248HP + Hanns�G HZ201HPB + Acer AL2002 (5760x1080+1600x900+1680x1050), Oculus Rift CV
CH Fighterstick, Pro Throt., Pro Pedals, TM Warthog & MFDs, Fanatec CSR Wheel/Shifter, Elite Pedals
Intensity Pro 10-Bit, TrackIR 4 Pro, WD Black 1.5TB, WD Black 640GB, Samsung 850 500GB, My Book 4TB
#3975545 - 07/01/14 04:23 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: SkateZilla]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
PanzerMeyer Online centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Online Centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
Miami, FL USA
Originally Posted By: SkateZilla

the only one that was kinda done right was the chancellor
Maybe that's because that same actor played Palpatine in ROTJ? wink

Anyway, I thought Ewan McGregor was very good as Obi Wan.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
#3975558 - 07/01/14 04:49 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 8,926
ArgonV Offline
Hotshot
ArgonV  Offline
Hotshot

Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 8,926
College Station, Texas, USA
My wife never watched the original Star Wars films until a few years ago. She never saw the newer 1-3 in theaters either. She MUCH prefers the originals.


"Go Fly A Kite!"
-Jason R.
FS-WWI Project Leader
FS-WWI Plane Pack Site

Intel i9 10900k
Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Elite AC
64GB Corsair DDR4 2933 Vengeance RGB Pro
AMD XFX 7900 XTX Merc310 Black Edition
LG UltraGear 38GN95B-B 38" monitor
Corsair HX1200 PSU
1TB EVO 980 Pro M.2 PCIe x4 SSD
2TB EVO 980 Pro M.2 PCIe x4 SSD
Two 2TB EVO 860 SSDs
Sound Blaster ZxR
Win 10 x64 Pro
HOTAS Cougar #4069 w/Uber II Nxt mod #284 & UTM bushings
#3975599 - 07/01/14 06:59 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 19,581
Raw Kryptonite Offline
Beat the Kobayashi Maru
Raw Kryptonite  Offline
Beat the Kobayashi Maru
Veteran

Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 19,581
MS
I like Ewan, but more in the first movie. After that he seems a little too "Kings of Leon" rather than Jedi.
Also too much of a young guy acting FAR older than he was and it just wasn't very believable in Ep 2 & 3.


·Steam: Raw Kryptonite ·MWO & Elite Dangerous: Defcon Won ·Meager youtube channel
·Intel i5-9600K ·EVGA GTX1070 FTW 8GB ·EVGA CLC 120 Cooler
·16 GB Patriot Memory VIPER 4 3000MHz ·GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS PRO WiFi Mobo
· CORSAIR CARBIDE AIR 540 case ·BenQ BL3200PT monitor
#3975610 - 07/01/14 07:15 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
PanzerMeyer Online centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Online Centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
Miami, FL USA
Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite
I like Ewan, but more in the first movie. After that he seems a little too "Kings of Leon" rather than Jedi.
Also too much of a young guy acting FAR older than he was and it just wasn't very believable in Ep 2 & 3.


It was only 20 years between the end of Revenge of the Sith and ANH so yeah, the age difference was too much of a stretch but putting that aside, I think Ewan was a good casting choice.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
#3975618 - 07/01/14 07:21 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 6,840
Clydewinder Offline
Mach 2 Infrared Orangutan
Clydewinder  Offline
Mach 2 Infrared Orangutan
Hotshot

Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 6,840
New Berlin, WI United States
Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
I think Portman is a good actress. She was just miscast as Amidala.


She was terrible in the Thor movies too, IMO.


Robots are stealing my luggage.
#3975628 - 07/01/14 07:26 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 49,716
Jedi Master Offline
Entil'zha
Jedi Master  Offline
Entil'zha
Sierra Hotel

Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 49,716
Space Coast, USA
Her character is too one-dimensional there. Not sure if that's the fault of the screenwriters or the original comic.



The Jedi Master


The anteater is wearing the bagel because he's a reindeer princess. -- my 4 yr old daughter
#3975632 - 07/01/14 07:32 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
PanzerMeyer Online centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Online Centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
Miami, FL USA
I found Kat Denning's character to be a lot more intresting than Portman's character in both Thor films.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
#3975671 - 07/01/14 08:49 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 19,581
Raw Kryptonite Offline
Beat the Kobayashi Maru
Raw Kryptonite  Offline
Beat the Kobayashi Maru
Veteran

Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 19,581
MS
Is character code for "chest"?


·Steam: Raw Kryptonite ·MWO & Elite Dangerous: Defcon Won ·Meager youtube channel
·Intel i5-9600K ·EVGA GTX1070 FTW 8GB ·EVGA CLC 120 Cooler
·16 GB Patriot Memory VIPER 4 3000MHz ·GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS PRO WiFi Mobo
· CORSAIR CARBIDE AIR 540 case ·BenQ BL3200PT monitor
#3975681 - 07/01/14 09:32 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,283
FlyingToaster Offline
Member
FlyingToaster  Offline
Member

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,283
Scotland
I find that the prequel trilogy puts a lot more emphasis on 'flash', and less on 'substance'. I know none of the star wars films are exactly substance heavy, but as an example think about the climatic lightsaber fights of Episode 3 & 6.

Episode 3: A little bit of 'you're bad! No, you're bad!' chat at the start, then something like 15 minutes of whoom, whoosh, swoom, zap, crackle. Entertaining for the first couple of minutes, then dull.

Episode 6: Lots of talking, obvious conflict with Luke not wanting to fight, some good swordplay in there, then a dramatic change at the end, stirring and different music emphasising darkness, then ratcheting the tension up with the Emperor joining in.

No comparison in my opinion.

#3975716 - 07/01/14 10:40 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: Jedi Master]  
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,560
Arthonon Online content
Veteran
Arthonon  Online Content
Veteran

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,560
California
Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
Of course, as someone who grew up living and breathing SW, I find it amusing when people try and tell me I'm wrong to say that the new trilogy wasn't all that bad compared to the original, which was good, and that instead the originals are awesome and the new ones are miserable. rolleyes

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying that you are somehow more qualified to have a valid opinion than others because you really liked SW all your life? Do you think that others who have been just as invested in them from when they were young for some reason don't have the same qualifications to have a valid opinion?


Ken Cartwright

No single drop of rain feels it is responsible for the flood.

http://www.techflyer.net

#3975721 - 07/01/14 10:50 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
PanzerMeyer Online centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Online Centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
Miami, FL USA
Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite
Is character code for "chest"?
lol. You know me well.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
#3975897 - 07/02/14 12:44 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: Arthonon]  
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 49,716
Jedi Master Offline
Entil'zha
Jedi Master  Offline
Entil'zha
Sierra Hotel

Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 49,716
Space Coast, USA
Originally Posted By: Arthonon
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying that you are somehow more qualified to have a valid opinion than others because you really liked SW all your life? Do you think that others who have been just as invested in them from when they were young for some reason don't have the same qualifications to have a valid opinion?



I'm saying they can't claim that I don't like the originals enough, and when they present their opinion as if theirs is the only possible interpretation and I have to be deluded to disagree, that there's really far less difference between the two than they claim.

In other words, their opinions are based on faulty facts which they continually point to as proof that they are right when really it's just THEIR opinion and the so-called facts do NOT support their conclusion. As already mentioned, the dialogue. The original cast has stated numerous times how awful they thought it was, and then people complain the new films had bad dialogue but the originals somehow did not...when in fact, they did as well.
So I must be crazy to say the prequels really aren't much worse because of this list of so-called facts which, when examined, is nothing but a list of similar opinions. They justify an opinion with other opinions but call them facts.

So instead of just saying "I didn't like it as much" they try and support it with a litany of "facts" that are NOT correct, inviting criticism that couldn't be levied if they'd simply said "I didn't like it as much."





The Jedi Master


The anteater is wearing the bagel because he's a reindeer princess. -- my 4 yr old daughter
#3976055 - 07/02/14 06:56 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,944
Crane Hunter Offline
Veteran
Crane Hunter  Offline
Veteran

Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,944
Master Meme-er
All I know is that every time I've shown the originals to young'uns, they vastly preferred them to the prequels...

I believe that if it had been the prequel series released in 1977 {minus the CGI of course}, the Star Wars universe would be a footnote today and we'd probably be talking up about some other sci fi series.

As is, even if the prequels had been good, they sat on them for too long IMO. If it had been up to me I would have had episode 1 released by 1993 at the latest, instead of waiting until the franchise was old news.

#3976059 - 07/02/14 07:04 PM Re: An analysis of Star Wars - A New Hope [Re: Crane Hunter]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
PanzerMeyer Online centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Online Centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,384
Miami, FL USA
Originally Posted By: Crane Hunter
instead of waiting until the franchise was old news.
That didn't seem to hurt the box office numbers for Phantom Menace,

total box office: 1,027,044,677


And this is in 1999 Dollars so it means that much more.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  RacerGT 

Quick Search
Recent Articles
Support SimHQ

If you shop on Amazon use this Amazon link to support SimHQ
.
Social


Recent Topics
CD WOFF
by Britisheh. 03/28/24 08:05 PM
Carnival Cruise Ship Fire....... Again
by F4UDash4. 03/26/24 05:58 PM
Baltimore Bridge Collapse
by F4UDash4. 03/26/24 05:51 PM
The Oldest WWII Veterans
by F4UDash4. 03/24/24 09:21 PM
They got fired after this.
by Wigean. 03/20/24 08:19 PM
Grown ups joke time
by NoFlyBoy. 03/18/24 10:34 PM
Anyone Heard from Nimits?
by F4UDash4. 03/18/24 10:01 PM
RIP Gemini/Apollo astronaut Tom Stafford
by semmern. 03/18/24 02:14 PM
Copyright 1997-2016, SimHQ Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0