#3965036 - 06/09/14 04:16 PM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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Howdy All, Just out of curiosity, can someone throw me a bone on why so much negative vibes ref. Luthier ? What has he done / not done ? He is the Nick Leeson of the flight sim development community?
Cheers, Slug He started with Il-2 and his first major project was Pacific Fighters, which was supposed to be done totally 3rd party...but ran into difficulties and Oleg's team had to team up with them to get it finished and patched. Then he joined Oleg's team until Oleg left at some nebulous point in CloD's development (ie we don't know EXACTLY when) and he took over...and CloD came out horrible. Now this. You forgot this little gem... http://bobgamehub.blogspot.dk/2014/03/remembering-project-galba.htmlH
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#3965203 - 06/09/14 09:12 PM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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I'm not suprised this happened with Luthier. They should really come out with a documentary movie on all this sim drama. So many unknown things that are always kept secret.
Glad these planes will still see the light of day with ED working on them now.
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#3965212 - 06/09/14 09:40 PM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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They should really come out with a documentary movie on all this sim drama. So many unknown things that are always kept secret.
That would probably be the end for ED's initiative to get 3rd parties invested into DCS. In business, if you kiss and tell you are going to run out of people to "kiss" fast.
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#3965233 - 06/09/14 10:34 PM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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I'm not suprised this happened with Luthier. They should really come out with a documentary movie on all this sim drama. So many unknown things that are always kept secret.
Glad these planes will still see the light of day with ED working on them now. I think "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" is loosely based on the sim industry if I remember correctly :P
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#3965425 - 06/10/14 09:52 AM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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HOWEVER...I think it can be simply stated his management skills are sorely lacking. He can have all the best intentions in the world, but I don't think he should run any project nearly this size. After this, you can bet the odds are he won't.
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Well said. I'm petty sure Ilya is a great guy with a real passion for flightsims but his skills at project management and communication seem lacking quite a bit, to put it politely. When the DCS WWII kickstarter started he made big promises concerning regular updates. Probably well knowing that a lot of people were highly sceptical about new projects since CloD. IIRC it didn't took more than 4 weeks until he already broke them.
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#3965455 - 06/10/14 11:54 AM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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I don't want to come off as a wise-*ss but I could never fully grasp that there were people actually willing to fund a project led by Ilya after both the Pacific Fighters fail and the CloD debacle. I guess a lot of the backers were unfamiliar with his previous "work"? This is why I don't do crowd-funding, paid betas yes, sure. Just give something substantial for my money instead of empty promises and thin air. How much did he actually manage to raise? 158,000$ was it? *POFF*!
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#3965456 - 06/10/14 11:57 AM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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#3965460 - 06/10/14 12:08 PM
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However, let's face it. To compare this $158k to Star Citizen's I think $45m now? There's no doubt that far fewer people are into this. Maybe if it had made $500k...
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#3965510 - 06/10/14 01:24 PM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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What does this mean to paypal-backers? I would ask on the ED-forums, but the forum doesn't let me register there. I'd guess it will be handled like the other Kickstarter pledges, i.e. ED will fulfil them.
"...late afternoon the Air Tasking Order came in [and] we found the A-10 part and we said, "We are going where!? We are doing what!?"
Capt. Todd Sheehy, Hog pilot, on receiving orders during Operation Desert Storm
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#3965525 - 06/10/14 01:50 PM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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Six completely modelled AC (i.e. ASM/PFM) for 15$ a pop? Hey, pass me whatever it is you're smoking, because it has GOT to be top grade. And besides, comparing this to BoS? Apples and oranges m'man, because Bos is altogether more gamish / arcadish an environment. But as it comes to the bass-ackwards release schedule, yeah, I agree with you there. Us getting the framework + a couple flyables first would indeed be better. BoS arcadish/gamish? Sure it's not a study sim. But so long as flight physics and models are autentic, it's wrong to call it gamish.
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#3965560 - 06/10/14 02:34 PM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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Six completely modelled AC (i.e. ASM/PFM) for 15$ a pop? Hey, pass me whatever it is you're smoking, because it has GOT to be top grade. Ha! Sure, I have been known to But not when I wrote that one. To turn it around, how many would pay $240 for 6 WWII warbirds that can only be flown over a modern Eastern Europe (or Nevada?!) map? It will be v interesting to see what pricing policy ED goes with for the future WWII releases. 15 USD (the current sale price of the P51) is of course unrealistic, but would I pay 25 USD per kite, for a total of 150 USD? Ouch! Maybe. If it included a free key to the final game with Normandy map! H
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#3965579 - 06/10/14 03:02 PM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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The way I'd like to see this go is approximately this: First, the Stang is out there already, so Red (yes, Red, has got to be Red in this context) has a good fighter already. Second, release the FW for $50, and an extensive map and AI (including aircraft) pack for free. Third, release comprehensively modelled (i.e. ASM/PFM) flyables for $50 a pop. Fourth, release a CA-type ground module for $50. Fifth - and this comes later - get all those stingy bastages who whined about the price (since they don't understand how expensive and time-consuming it is to make study-level sim models) by running a sale.
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#3965595 - 06/10/14 03:42 PM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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BoS arcadish/gamish? Sure it's not a study sim. But so long as flight physics and models are autentic, it's worng to call it gamish.
This. And 777 guys DO deliver in contrast to... you know...
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#3965626 - 06/10/14 04:40 PM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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The way I'd like to see this go is approximately this: First, the Stang is out there already, so Red (yes, Red, has got to be Red in this context) has a good fighter already. Second, release the FW for $50, and an extensive map and AI (including aircraft) pack for free. Third, release comprehensively modelled (i.e. ASM/PFM) flyables for $50 a pop. Fourth, release a CA-type ground module for $50. Fifth - and this comes later - get all those stingy bastages who whined about the price (since they don't understand how expensive and time-consuming it is to make study-level sim models) by running a sale. Thassaplan. Quick, copyrite it then go over to Kickstarter and start raising funds! H
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#3965934 - 06/11/14 02:48 AM
Re: Luthier out. ED is in.
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Sure it's not a study sim. And thus, not directly comparable with study-level sim modules as it comes to cost and/or time of development. So as I said, apples and oranges.
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