Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
Hop To
Page 5 of 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 24 25
#3965036 - 06/09/14 04:16 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Jedi Master]  
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 3,743
HeinKill Offline
Senior Member
HeinKill  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: May 2006
Posts: 3,743
Cloud based
Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
Originally Posted By: Sluggish Controls
Howdy All,
Just out of curiosity, can someone throw me a bone on why so much negative vibes ref. Luthier ?
What has he done / not done ? He is the Nick Leeson of the flight sim development community?

Cheers,
Slug


He started with Il-2 and his first major project was Pacific Fighters, which was supposed to be done totally 3rd party...but ran into difficulties and Oleg's team had to team up with them to get it finished and patched.
Then he joined Oleg's team until Oleg left at some nebulous point in CloD's development (ie we don't know EXACTLY when) and he took over...and CloD came out horrible.

Now this.


You forgot this little gem...

http://bobgamehub.blogspot.dk/2014/03/remembering-project-galba.html

H


[Linked Image]
#3965041 - 06/09/14 04:19 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: rollnloop.]  
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,614
theOden Offline
Member
theOden  Offline
Member

Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,614
Originally Posted By: rollnloop.
This thread is in desperate need of banjo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o155aceP3ws

Ohhh the Banana flashback hahahaha.

#3965203 - 06/09/14 09:12 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,080
kestrel79 Offline
Member
kestrel79  Offline
Member

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,080
Wisconsin, USA
I'm not suprised this happened with Luthier. They should really come out with a documentary movie on all this sim drama. So many unknown things that are always kept secret.

Glad these planes will still see the light of day with ED working on them now.


Intel i5 2500k // Asus P8P67 // 16GB G.Skill RAM // RX480 8GB // 27" monitor // VKB Black Mamba Mk.III // Warthog Throttle // TFRP Pedals // W7
#3965212 - 06/09/14 09:40 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: kestrel79]  
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 623
Sobek Offline
Professional scapegoat
Sobek  Offline
Professional scapegoat
Member

Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 623
Originally Posted By: kestrel79
They should really come out with a documentary movie on all this sim drama. So many unknown things that are always kept secret.


That would probably be the end for ED's initiative to get 3rd parties invested into DCS. In business, if you kiss and tell you are going to run out of people to "kiss" fast.

#3965233 - 06/09/14 10:34 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: kestrel79]  
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 490
NineLine Offline
ED Community Manager
NineLine  Offline
ED Community Manager
Member

Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 490
BC, Canada
Originally Posted By: kestrel79
I'm not suprised this happened with Luthier. They should really come out with a documentary movie on all this sim drama. So many unknown things that are always kept secret.

Glad these planes will still see the light of day with ED working on them now.


I think "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" is loosely based on the sim industry if I remember correctly :P

#3965425 - 06/10/14 09:52 AM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Jedi Master]  
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 8,771
Para_Bellum Offline
Oberkriegkaboomführer
Para_Bellum  Offline
Oberkriegkaboomführer
Hotshot

Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 8,771
Germany
Originally Posted By: Jedi Master


HOWEVER...I think it can be simply stated his management skills are sorely lacking. He can have all the best intentions in the world, but I don't think he should run any project nearly this size. After this, you can bet the odds are he won't.


The Jedi Master


Well said. I'm petty sure Ilya is a great guy with a real passion for flightsims but his skills at project management and communication seem lacking quite a bit, to put it politely.

When the DCS WWII kickstarter started he made big promises concerning regular updates. Probably well knowing that a lot of people were highly sceptical about new projects since CloD. IIRC it didn't took more than 4 weeks until he already broke them.


"...late afternoon the Air Tasking Order came in [and] we found the A-10 part and we said, "We are going where!? We are doing what!?"

Capt. Todd Sheehy, Hog pilot, on receiving orders during Operation Desert Storm

#3965455 - 06/10/14 11:54 AM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 751
addman Offline
Member
addman  Offline
Member

Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 751
Swede in Finland :)
I don't want to come off as a wise-*ss but I could never fully grasp that there were people actually willing to fund a project led by Ilya after both the Pacific Fighters fail and the CloD debacle. I guess a lot of the backers were unfamiliar with his previous "work"? This is why I don't do crowd-funding, paid betas yes, sure. Just give something substantial for my money instead of empty promises and thin air. How much did he actually manage to raise? 158,000$ was it? *POFF*!


It rushed along like an arrow, but when you lost control you could end up beneath its hoofs. Aleksandr Ivanovich Pokryshkin comment on the MiG-3
#3965456 - 06/10/14 11:57 AM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 664
jeanba Offline
Member
jeanba  Offline
Member

Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 664
I want my dollar back !

#3965460 - 06/10/14 12:08 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 49,716
Jedi Master Offline
Entil'zha
Jedi Master  Offline
Entil'zha
Sierra Hotel

Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 49,716
Space Coast, USA
However, let's face it. To compare this $158k to Star Citizen's I think $45m now? There's no doubt that far fewer people are into this. Maybe if it had made $500k...



The Jedi Master


The anteater is wearing the bagel because he's a reindeer princess. -- my 4 yr old daughter
#3965473 - 06/10/14 12:30 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 289
paf_eaf310 Offline
Member
paf_eaf310  Offline
Member

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 289
What does this mean to paypal-backers?
I would ask on the ED-forums, but the forum doesn't let me register there.

#3965510 - 06/10/14 01:24 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: paf_eaf310]  
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 8,771
Para_Bellum Offline
Oberkriegkaboomführer
Para_Bellum  Offline
Oberkriegkaboomführer
Hotshot

Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 8,771
Germany
Originally Posted By: paf_eaf310
What does this mean to paypal-backers?
I would ask on the ED-forums, but the forum doesn't let me register there.


I'd guess it will be handled like the other Kickstarter pledges, i.e. ED will fulfil them.


"...late afternoon the Air Tasking Order came in [and] we found the A-10 part and we said, "We are going where!? We are doing what!?"

Capt. Todd Sheehy, Hog pilot, on receiving orders during Operation Desert Storm

#3965525 - 06/10/14 01:50 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: msalama]  
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 418
SAPPER Offline
Member
SAPPER  Offline
Member

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 418
Portugal
Originally Posted By: msalama
Quote:
15USD six aircraft


Six completely modelled AC (i.e. ASM/PFM) for 15$ a pop? Hey, pass me whatever it is you're smoking, because it has GOT to be top grade. And besides, comparing this to BoS? Apples and oranges m'man, because Bos is altogether more gamish / arcadish an environment.

But as it comes to the bass-ackwards release schedule, yeah, I agree with you there. Us getting the framework + a couple flyables first would indeed be better.


BoS arcadish/gamish? Sure it's not a study sim. But so long as flight physics and models are autentic, it's wrong to call it gamish.

Last edited by SAPPER; 06/10/14 06:09 PM. Reason: Spelling! :)
#3965560 - 06/10/14 02:34 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: msalama]  
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 3,743
HeinKill Offline
Senior Member
HeinKill  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: May 2006
Posts: 3,743
Cloud based
Originally Posted By: msalama
Six completely modelled AC (i.e. ASM/PFM) for 15$ a pop? Hey, pass me whatever it is you're smoking, because it has GOT to be top grade.


Ha! Sure, I have been known to bananadance

But not when I wrote that one.

To turn it around, how many would pay $240 for 6 WWII warbirds that can only be flown over a modern Eastern Europe (or Nevada?!) map?

It will be v interesting to see what pricing policy ED goes with for the future WWII releases.

15 USD (the current sale price of the P51) is of course unrealistic, but would I pay 25 USD per kite, for a total of 150 USD?

Ouch! Maybe.

If it included a free key to the final game with Normandy map!

H


[Linked Image]
#3965570 - 06/10/14 02:42 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: rollnloop.]  
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,130
EagleEye[GER] Offline
Member
EagleEye[GER]  Offline
Member

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,130
Germany
Originally Posted By: rollnloop.
This thread is in desperate need of banjo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o155aceP3ws


rofl I remember very well:
Banjo http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=314241&postcount=1

I almost foreseen that development with Ilya at controls. I´m so glad I did not backed that project.

#3965579 - 06/10/14 03:02 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 825
msalama Offline
Member
msalama  Offline
Member

Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 825
Quote:
Ouch! Maybe.


The way I'd like to see this go is approximately this:

First, the Stang is out there already, so Red (yes, Red, has got to be Red in this context) has a good fighter already.

Second, release the FW for $50, and an extensive map and AI (including aircraft) pack for free.

Third, release comprehensively modelled (i.e. ASM/PFM) flyables for $50 a pop.

Fourth, release a CA-type ground module for $50.

Fifth - and this comes later - get all those stingy bastages who whined about the price (since they don't understand how expensive and time-consuming it is to make study-level sim models) by running a sale.

#3965595 - 06/10/14 03:42 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: SAPPER]  
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 454
Ami7b5 Offline
Member
Ami7b5  Offline
Member

Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 454
Originally Posted By: msalama

BoS arcadish/gamish? Sure it's not a study sim. But so long as flight physics and models are autentic, it's worng to call it gamish.


This.
And 777 guys DO deliver in contrast to... you know...

Last edited by ami7b5; 06/10/14 03:43 PM.

If you're close, get closer.
#3965626 - 06/10/14 04:40 PM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: msalama]  
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 3,743
HeinKill Offline
Senior Member
HeinKill  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: May 2006
Posts: 3,743
Cloud based
Originally Posted By: msalama
Quote:
Ouch! Maybe.


The way I'd like to see this go is approximately this:

First, the Stang is out there already, so Red (yes, Red, has got to be Red in this context) has a good fighter already.

Second, release the FW for $50, and an extensive map and AI (including aircraft) pack for free.

Third, release comprehensively modelled (i.e. ASM/PFM) flyables for $50 a pop.

Fourth, release a CA-type ground module for $50.

Fifth - and this comes later - get all those stingy bastages who whined about the price (since they don't understand how expensive and time-consuming it is to make study-level sim models) by running a sale.


Thassaplan.

Quick, copyrite it then go over to Kickstarter and start raising funds!

H


[Linked Image]
#3965934 - 06/11/14 02:48 AM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 825
msalama Offline
Member
msalama  Offline
Member

Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 825
Quote:
Sure it's not a study sim.


And thus, not directly comparable with study-level sim modules as it comes to cost and/or time of development. So as I said, apples and oranges.

#3965975 - 06/11/14 05:26 AM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 418
SAPPER Offline
Member
SAPPER  Offline
Member

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 418
Portugal
If you take into consideration how much time an advanced flight model takes for beeing developed over at EDs and assossiates. Or how long it takes to make a 6DoF cockpit. And that BoS is not releasing one at a time but several. It's not that diferent in the end, it all comes down to man hours. So not apples and oranges but very much the same.

#3966044 - 06/11/14 11:46 AM Re: Luthier out. ED is in. [Re: Sim]  
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 825
msalama Offline
Member
msalama  Offline
Member

Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 825
ED models all but classified systems for their aircraft. This means lots of manhours for preliminary research and verification, and all that before you write any FM and/or systems code at all. And indeed, 777 releasing not one but several AC at the same time actually points to their craft being simpler - and thus faster - to make, now doesn't it?

So yah, apples and oranges still.

Page 5 of 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 24 25

Moderated by  Force10, RacerGT 

Quick Search
Recent Articles
Support SimHQ

If you shop on Amazon use this Amazon link to support SimHQ
.
Social


Recent Topics
RIP Louis Gosset, Jr
by bones. 03/29/24 02:40 PM
Carnival Cruise Ship Fire....... Again
by F4UDash4. 03/26/24 05:58 PM
Baltimore Bridge Collapse
by F4UDash4. 03/26/24 05:51 PM
The Oldest WWII Veterans
by F4UDash4. 03/24/24 09:21 PM
They got fired after this.
by Wigean. 03/20/24 08:19 PM
Grown ups joke time
by NoFlyBoy. 03/18/24 10:34 PM
Anyone Heard from Nimits?
by F4UDash4. 03/18/24 10:01 PM
RIP Gemini/Apollo astronaut Tom Stafford
by semmern. 03/18/24 02:14 PM
Copyright 1997-2016, SimHQ Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0