Time frame split and lack of different flyable modern airframes is annoying a large chunk of the community.

Also, Su-25T and A-10C still fall under: "Remakes, derivatives and upgrades of the same old line-up."
They are by no means a new airframe that hasn't been included in LOMAC since 2003.
They use different systems and were a breath of fresh air back in the day, but they're very stale now.

Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how wrong they are

I only left the testers team about 4 weeks so I guess a ton has changed. If so that's great but based on 3 years as a tester I highly doubt it.

I did not back this project for the simply fact of what has happened. Like others got burned on CLOD and simply would not back another project by this guy. To the DCS team though, I've been waiting on Nevada longer than there's been a WW2 kickstarter movement. If you want to do right by your customers then take care of the ones who have been waiting so long, ww2 should be a minimal priority until you fulfill your prior obligations. Just sayin

Testers are pretty much at a closed Beta level... there are many layers above that I am sure. If you thought we were more informed than that, you were mistaken.

Just because I don't agree with ED and voice my opinion doesn't mean I'm an idiot. I know multiple layers exist and I was a dedicated tester for 3 years and one of the handful who participated in MP testing on a regular basis.

I typed a lot longer response but why waste my time, certain individuals will argue that ED is right no matter what ED does.

No one claimed you were an idiot, my response was only to you claiming you had some insight into certain ED projects such as the F/A-18C, I think the fact that you were a tester warrants a response because certain things you say can mislead people. Bottomline is, Testers probably dont know half of what ED is working on currently.

Why is it I feel like I've just witnessed fratricide?

Everyone is frustrated right now and on edge (okay, I kind of meant that as a pun). A couple things need to start working and people need to get busy focusing on their strats and tats and all will be well again.

Of course a few will survive the wave of success and still rummage around desperately for something to complain about- but we need to spend more time making / playing and less time typing / dwelling.

(Me included, just so you know!)

Howdy All,
Just out of curiosity, can someone throw me a bone on why so much negative vibes ref. Luthier ?
What has he done / not done ? He is the Nick Leeson of the flight sim development community?

Cheers,
Slug

maybe another 3 years will see Edge and then the FA18, because I still think they can not get the ground radar working. I still believe this is the reason for FA18C being delayed even longer.

How Simple VRS Tac pack got it right, unbelievable and in the fraction of time it took or is taking ED.

"http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2085212&postcount=1"

do you seriously know how long the Superbug and TacPack have been in development,

I'm gonna ask you to quit while you're ahead, and stop with these ludicrous delay estimations.

You dont know what you are talking about, EDGE is scheduled for 1.3.0. As for the F/A-18C no delays have been reported, as far as we know its been normal development time, compared to what it took to do the A-10C, its about on track.

Tac Pac? Bad example. I remember first hearing about it and its release sounded right around the corner. Its why I bought the VRS F-18. 2 years later, Tac Pac still hadn't come out. By the time it did I was kind of over it. I've hardly ever used it. Big waste of money for me.

Sounds like applauding the sinking of the Titanic. Ok, that's a dramatic comparsion but if you see what happened to the MP community in the last years and what did (not) happen in the developement of dcs then I think "applauding" sounds to me a bit out of place...

Wonder what happened to Oleg Maddox involvement. He told me in an interview he was part of the project in an advisory capacity (or in his own words, 'mastermind') but there has never been any public evidence of that. With Shevchenko gone, it seems even less likely he remains involved.

It's all such a terrible, messy, predictable shame, but the commitment to release the WWII warbirds and map is great news for the future BUT ED have still got it all backwards!

Releasing the aircraft first as modules is a dumb idea, when there is no map to fly them over and no WWII game world for them to exist in. ED should get the map out first, with a quick mission builder, online enabled, and the P51 and Dora flyable...then gradually introduce the other aircraft.

If they persist in releasing the aircraft first for all those people who want to fly WWII warbirds over a modern Eastern Europe battlefield, how will they price them? 40 USD a module like the P51? DCS WWII would cost you 200+ USD that way.

At the current 'sale' price of 15USD six aircraft would cost you 95 USD - which is OK...about the same as Battle of Stalingrad, except BoS also gives you a map to fly them over, a quick mission builder, online servers etc etc

Sorry I just think ED needs to rethink the whole 'modular' aircraft release concept when it comes to this project - map with P51 and FW 190 first, other planes later please!

H

Still for this summer, right?

Once again disappointed by something Luthier/Ilya was involved in. This was the last time.

Still have high hopes the fine chaps at ED will solve this mess.

This thread is in desperate need of banjo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o155aceP3ws

Six completely modelled AC (i.e. ASM/PFM) for 15$ a pop? Hey, pass me whatever it is you're smoking, because it has GOT to be top grade. And besides, comparing this to BoS? Apples and oranges m'man, because Bos is altogether more gamish / arcadish an environment.

But as it comes to the bass-ackwards release schedule, yeah, I agree with you there. Us getting the framework + a couple flyables first would indeed be better.

He started with Il-2 and his first major project was Pacific Fighters, which was supposed to be done totally 3rd party...but ran into difficulties and Oleg's team had to team up with them to get it finished and patched.
Then he joined Oleg's team until Oleg left at some nebulous point in CloD's development (ie we don't know EXACTLY when) and he took over...and CloD came out horrible.

Now this.

I cannot comment on luthier's skills as a coder/programmer/sim maker. I've no evidence of anything he's done right or wrong, to draw a conclusion. I don't know if he made mistakes that caused delays, or it was people working for him that screwed up, only they know for sure.

HOWEVER...I think it can be simply stated his management skills are sorely lacking. He can have all the best intentions in the world, but I don't think he should run any project nearly this size. After this, you can bet the odds are he won't.




The Jedi Master