#3952398 - 05/12/14 01:47 AM
Best way to remain undetected?
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In Falcon BMS, what is the best way to remain undetected by the enemy during a mission? In a mission, I had to attack an enemy air base so I turned off my radar (first I switched it to "quiet", then later on I flicked the same switch all the way down) and try to fly the whole mission at about 500 ft or lower. No ECMs at all. I told my wingman to do the same. On my way to the air base, I was intercepted and shot down by flankers.
Can you recommend any tactic that would help me to avoid detection? Also, would keeping radio silence improve my chances?
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#3952669 - 05/12/14 06:09 PM
Re: Best way to remain undetected?
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I'm not really sure, I think the AI can see you no matter what. You'd think flying low would work and you'd get lost in the "ground clutter," but it doesn't work like that for the AI enemy aircraft.
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#3953340 - 05/14/14 08:01 AM
Re: Best way to remain undetected?
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Dare I ask how much low level is Low Level in this sim? Say that I fly at 100ft radar altitude, but at the same time I'm at 5K barometric. Am I considered at Low Level or is it Mid Altitude already?
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#3953599 - 05/14/14 08:29 PM
Re: Best way to remain undetected?
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In a mission, I had to attack an enemy air base so I turned off my radar (first I switched it to "quiet", then later on I flicked the same switch all the way down) and try to fly the whole mission at about 500 ft or lower. No ECMs at all. I told my wingman to do the same. On my way to the air base, I was intercepted and shot down by flankers.
Can you recommend any tactic that would help me to avoid detection? Also, would keeping radio silence improve my chances? I don't think ground-based low-level radars play a factor in this scenario. If there is an enemy aircraft in the air and if he is painting you, it doesn't matter how low you go, he will find you even at 50feet AGL. Sure, avoiding the ground radars might help your survivability a bit, ie no enemy fighters gets vectored to your area, but once an enemy aircraft is up in the air, I think they "see" everything.
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#3953622 - 05/14/14 09:24 PM
Re: Best way to remain undetected?
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I don't think ground-based low-level radars play a factor in this scenario.
If you stay outside low-level radars you will be invisible on the 2D map. So for multiplayer it is relevant but I think AI awacs has you still on his scope (and so the AI fighters). So yes maybe it is not a factor in SP.
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#3953894 - 05/15/14 02:37 PM
Re: Best way to remain undetected?
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So, even if my radar's off, that won't help improve my chances of slipping through? Is that how it works in reality or is it just a limitation of Falcon BMS?
Thanks for the replies, everyone!
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#3954192 - 05/15/14 09:41 PM
Re: Best way to remain undetected?
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No limitation IMO. That AWACS / GCI have you on their scope does not depend on your radar. Also in reality. Will AWACS or GCI pick you up when you're in the weeds? I'm no expert, but I don't think so. Also, with regards to his last statement So, even if my radar's off, that won't help improve my chances of slipping through? Is that how it works in reality or is it just a limitation of Falcon BMS? I say this is a limitation in BMS because even on a dogfight/quick TE wherein the AI is out for blood (sometimes he'll actively engage you, sometimes he'll just do circles), even when being down low the AI will still find you. Of course in campaign missions, with so many radars active, there are more chances of you getting spotted, but it seems to me that even in a sterile TE, the AI can find you easy.
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#3954327 - 05/16/14 03:07 AM
Re: Best way to remain undetected?
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Will AWACS or GCI pick you up when you're in the weeds? I'm no expert, but I don't think so.
Yes, hiding from Awacs is already for helos almost impossible as long as you are in its LOS. So, even if my radar's off, that won't help improve my chances of slipping through? Is that how it works in reality or is it just a limitation of Falcon BMS? I say this is a limitation in BMS because even on a dogfight/quick TE wherein the AI is out for blood (sometimes he'll actively engage you, sometimes he'll just do circles), even when being down low the AI will still find you. Of course in campaign missions, with so many radars active, there are more chances of you getting spotted, but it seems to me that even in a sterile TE, the AI can find you easy. Also without Awacs it is almost impossible to stay outside the area of ground radars. But if you stay outside (low level) ground radar range and you will get intercepted by Mig21s although your are way outside they scanning range then it will be a limitation of bms. Anyway these situations are not easy to acchieve in a campaign.
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#3957185 - 05/23/14 02:07 PM
Re: Best way to remain undetected?
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I hadn't though about lowering the difficulty level. That makes sense, actually...
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#3957354 - 05/23/14 08:45 PM
Re: Best way to remain undetected?
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Look at Realism Patch 5 Manual.pdf in Legacy Manuals folder. Much of how the AI works is in there if it's anywhere. Good reading but many things are not in bms yet... Because they started bottom (vanilla F4) , so sam traps etc.. and ambush cap's etc.. are not there or not work. -haukka81
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#3957365 - 05/23/14 09:30 PM
Re: Best way to remain undetected?
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Good reading but many things are not in bms yet... Because they started bottom (vanilla F4) , so sam traps etc.. and ambush cap's etc.. are not there or not work. They didn't start at the bottom, their "start" (as BMS) was picking up where OF (which is a descendant of RP) stopped. That said, I really don't know if any of this stuff had been removed at some point, though I can't imagine why they would be. I don't remember reading anything about them being removed in any of the BMS changelogs either.
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#3957895 - 05/25/14 08:55 AM
Re: Best way to remain undetected?
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In a mission, I had to attack an enemy air base so I turned off my radar (first I switched it to "quiet", then later on I flicked the same switch all the way down) and try to fly the whole mission at about 500 ft or lower. No ECMs at all. I told my wingman to do the same. On my way to the air base, I was intercepted and shot down by flankers.
Can you recommend any tactic that would help me to avoid detection? Also, would keeping radio silence improve my chances? I don't think ground-based low-level radars play a factor in this scenario. If there is an enemy aircraft in the air and if he is painting you, it doesn't matter how low you go, he will find you even at 50feet AGL. Sure, avoiding the ground radars might help your survivability a bit, ie no enemy fighters gets vectored to your area, but once an enemy aircraft is up in the air, I think they "see" everything. Nope, Here is how it goes : If you spotted from groudn radar or even enemy inf , they will send your location to iads network and nearby fighters will be directed to intercept you. BUT they don't know your location if nobody cant keep you in radar or vis. I have many times sneaked to deep in enemy territory, its quite nice to look acmi in tacview and see that when i pass some enemy troops nearby cap will turn to my direction but when troops lost me and i turn away migs still go to where i was saw last. And least mig-23 and mig-29 radar look down is poor so if you are low (about 200ft) and far you wont be spotted even they show up in RWR. -haukka81
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