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#3954553 - 05/16/14 06:52 PM WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators  
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Well, it's been nearly three months since I started work on this project but it is at long last ready for you folks to give it a go, (it would have gone quicker but RL kept getting in the way). I will be packaging it up and sending it to Pol for posting in the download section on the WOFF website but before I do that I'd like you navigators to have a crack at it first. Keep in mind that while the CFS3 landscape is quite accurate in terms of roads, railways, and coastlines, it is hit-and-miss when it comes to location of cities and towns. Some are correct but many are off by a few kilometers. Rivers and forests are even worse. This map is going to show all such errors as it was built from an in-sim photo recce of the entire area. So please, don't point out that Armentières is 5km too far to the north or that Tournai is 7km too far to the east. It is what it is and the devs have noted numerous times that trying to correct these placement errors is a gargantuan task and not one they wish to take on any time soon, (if ever). It is because of these very errors that I launched into this mapping project in the first place so that we might have charts accurate to the WOFF WWI landscape, warts and all.

I should also mention that I have denoted historical landmarks and points of interest on the map that are not actually in the sim differently from those that are so as to avoid confusion. If there are other such historical landmarks not currently on the map that you would like to see added let me know what they might be and I will look into including them before sending this along to Pol.

Alrighty then, here it is. You can right-click on the image and open it up full size in a new window if your browser is being difficult.







Happy Navigating!

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(NOTE: Image updated 5/17/2014)


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#3954555 - 05/16/14 06:57 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Thks a lot for this amazing piece of work ! thumbsup


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#3954586 - 05/16/14 07:58 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Simply amazing Lou...thank you!

#3954634 - 05/16/14 10:29 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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#3954639 - 05/16/14 10:40 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Great work Lou thumbsup


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#3954649 - 05/16/14 11:21 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Many thanks Lou.

#3954703 - 05/17/14 04:01 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Just terrific!

#3954760 - 05/17/14 10:53 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Thank you Gents, glad you like it. Bletchley asked over in the Combat Ace forum about providing a printable version in the download I send to Pol and I can certainly do that. Keep in mind though that the map I've posted here is about 53" x 48", (and that is reduced to 60% of my original working map). For ease of dividing it up evenly into printable sheets, and to maintain image crispness, a 60" x 55" size would work nicely. Figuring 8.5" x 11" paper and allowing a minimum of 1/2" for the usual border most printers have to leave around the edges you end up at 6 sheets across and 8 sheets top-to-bottom for a total of 48 sheets. After trimming and assembly it would make a lovely and highly functional wallpaper.

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#3954795 - 05/17/14 02:24 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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#3954797 - 05/17/14 02:32 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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You are quite welcome, kaa. BTW, I've just sent the zip file to Pol so that he can add it to the download section at the WOFF website. The zip contains the full map along with a printable version. I've also made a couple of minor tweaks to the map this morning and just updated the image in the first post of this thread so you'll want to grab that new one.

Happy Navigating!

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#3954825 - 05/17/14 04:22 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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So as not to need to print the entire map at once..if I understood the above post, is the following which works great for me.

Copy the jpeg of the entire map.

Make a copy of the JPeg to work with.

Send the working copy to an editing program and zoom in on the area you are flying out of, as far afield or close as you think you want. Your mission brief will show you that area.

Crop it to desired area and print..color or b/w

Get a great detailed map to navigate by in manageable copy sheet size.

#3954827 - 05/17/14 04:45 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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cptroyce, that is a good way to do it and you have that option by using the map I've posted here, (which is the same map that will be in the download). In addition to this map I've also included 48 smaller map sections that can each be printed out on 8.5" x 11" paper for the AO you are working in. I've also included a numbered key map to show the location of each of these 48 sections to make it easy peasy for you.

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#3954876 - 05/17/14 07:05 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Thanks Lou

Then you've done all the editing work already ;>)

#3954888 - 05/17/14 07:48 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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You re "da man", Lou. Thanks a lot. I really admire and appreciate your work.

#3954893 - 05/17/14 08:16 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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cptroyce and JJJ65, you are both quite welcome. And I see that Pol has the zip file loaded and available in the download section of the WOFF website, parked right next to my Verdun map. Thank you Pol.smile2

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#3955017 - 05/18/14 05:31 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Thank you Louvert wave

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#3955047 - 05/18/14 10:47 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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You are very welcome B. cheers

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#3955076 - 05/18/14 01:52 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Just finished downloading. The printable maps and grid are just what I need. Thanks again.

#3955149 - 05/18/14 05:46 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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This is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks a lot, Lou. smile


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#3955784 - 05/20/14 01:53 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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I downloaded the map today Lou. Great work. It should go a long way to keeping my butt found. My hat is off to you sir!


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#3955842 - 05/20/14 09:47 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Wayfarer, Hasse, and MFair, I hope the new chart will serve you all well.

Happy Navigating! pilot

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#3955971 - 05/20/14 03:25 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Thanks a lot RAF_Louvert, you did an amazing job there. If only we could have something half as good for inflight, ingame navigation...

#3955980 - 05/20/14 03:44 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: ArisFuser]  
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Originally Posted By: ArisFuser
Thanks a lot RAF_Louvert, you did an amazing job there. If only we could have something half as good for inflight, ingame navigation...


I wonder why the inflight maps always appear pixelated. Is there a way to take a map such as this and have it appear inflight, and with crisp wording/features?

#3955992 - 05/20/14 04:08 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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#3956006 - 05/20/14 04:32 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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#3956007 - 05/20/14 04:32 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Great work! I've used your Verdun map a lot and love it so have been eagerly awaiting this one. Thanks for all your efforts - this obviously involved a lot of work and it is greatly appreciated!!

#3956014 - 05/20/14 04:47 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: Shiloh]  
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Thanks a lot RAF_Louvert, you did an amazing job there. If only we could have something half as good for inflight, ingame navigation...


I wonder why the inflight maps always appear pixelated. Is there a way to take a map such as this and have it appear inflight, and with crisp wording/features?


Inflight map is a HUGE single texture. When zoomed in even the smallest font will look pixelated. As long as the inflight map in WOFF uses the CFS3 stock texture, there isn´t a way to make a better map. There would have to be a programming change for that, something I don´t think it´s possible.

#3956284 - 05/21/14 01:53 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Huge thanks RAFLouvert! Superb map. Mine will have coffee stains soon I'm sure ^.^


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#3956285 - 05/21/14 02:03 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Leaf85, 77_Scout, Britisheh, Shredward, Shiloh, ArisFuser, thanks for the many thumbs up. Putting this together for you lot was my pleasure and knowing you'll all make good use of it warms me old heart.

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#3956335 - 05/21/14 04:12 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Thanks Lou, perfect.

#3956387 - 05/21/14 10:32 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Thank you very much Lou for your hard work, the Flanders map looks very good. I already enjoyed flying with your Verdun map and am eager to try this new map! Thank you!

Kai

#3956457 - 05/21/14 02:41 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Excellent work Lou thank you for sharing them with us. Printed out the maps and used them today for the first time.

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#3957479 - 05/24/14 06:09 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Very well done Lou!! I know a lot of towns are off, but I never realized how different some were off compared to others until seeing your map, which shows the major junctions where the town would be centered and the town however far away from the junction. Douai and Lens for example... yikes!!

Quick question... That's not all the aerodromes mapped on it, just from the certain time period you were flying in, right? I think I see a few missing.

#3957509 - 05/24/14 09:55 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: chrispdm1]  
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Originally Posted By: chrispdm1
Quick question... That's not all the aerodromes mapped on it, just from the certain time period you were flying in, right? I think I see a few missing.


As written on the map, it shows situation on Feb 1, 1916


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#3957518 - 05/24/14 11:19 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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camel, Kaische, Beanie, chrispdm1, thanks for the accolades. Hope the map serves you well in your WOFF flights.

And, as pointed out by corsaire31, the mapping date is 1 February 1916 so there will be numerous aerodromes not shown. You will simply have to add those in as you fly your missions just as our RL counterparts had to do a century ago.

Happy Navigating!

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#3958796 - 05/27/14 06:01 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Just back from my holiday trip, I found your great photo-recce-resulting map, Lou!
Thanks a lot for this great work - I will use it as soon as possible!


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#3958866 - 05/27/14 09:51 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: corsaire31]  
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Originally Posted By: corsaire31
Originally Posted By: chrispdm1
Quick question... That's not all the aerodromes mapped on it, just from the certain time period you were flying in, right? I think I see a few missing.


As written on the map, it shows situation on Feb 1, 1916


I figured I was missing it somewhere.... duh

#3961039 - 06/01/14 09:27 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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I think the maps are great and can now view them on my RH screen using Irfanview and WOFF on the left screen. The only problem I have is trying to figure out the relationship of the maps. I am flying a 4 Sqn BE2c from Bailleul Town which is map 21 and get a bit confused as to which maps go NSEW from there. I think no 28 is South but am often not sure. Would it be possible to have sort of index map of flanders that shows the position of each individual map?

Oh dammit, I retract all that because I hadn't noticed the the grid key map at the bottom of the page. So ignore this post altogether screwy


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#3961063 - 06/01/14 11:45 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Olham, you are more than welcome. Hope the map will serve you well.

chrispdm1, I am missing things all the time.

Jim, glad to learn you are making use of the map as well, and as I've already said, I'm missing things all the time too.

Now then, where did I set my coffee cup?

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#3961146 - 06/01/14 03:29 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Coffee - yeah - I don't forget where I put it; I forget drinking it before it's cold.
Arghh - cold again....


Just did some flying with Kasta 8 from Brullin-Higny north of Verdun, and although the Roland C.II
doesn't offer the best downward vision, I found it easy to navigate after your Verdun map.
Following the road to Spincourt and the lake Etang d'Amel, and further down to the junction at Etain,
then west towards the river Meuse, following the river until the 45° bend, and from there heading
northeast to the Etang de Haut-Fourneau, and then back to my field was easy!
At least until those Nupes appeared! winkngrin

I would like to recommend it to everyone: don't panik; try it out inland, away from the front -
it is easy as a child can bake a cake of sand!
Thanks again for that huge, detailed work, Lou!


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#3961225 - 06/01/14 06:55 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Finally got to use them properly in the last hour or so. Good to see Ypres where they say it is. Olham is right, these maps are very helpful and you'll likely find using them much easier than you might imagine.

#3985069 - 07/23/14 08:26 PM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Bump - just to bring the maps (Flanders and Verdun) up for everyone again.

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#3985176 - 07/24/14 12:12 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Thanks for all your hard work Lou. As usual it is outstanding. Now all I have to do is learn to navigate properly to use it.
Thanks and Happy Hunting in the Skies over Flanders: John

#3985262 - 07/24/14 09:01 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Mr.Dirt, the real navigation must not even be learnt.
They usually flew by sight. They explored the area around their airfield and noted
the well recognisable landmarks in their maps.
Sometimes they didn't know after a fight, wether they were east or west of the line,
and had to find a landmakr, and use the compass to get back.

In WOFF, the lakes, but also the railroads are good to use.
Also the cities and towns. They are about 5-8 miles off their true positions in the
terrain (which was a CFS3 mistake), but RAF_Louvert has put them in his maps, where
he found them in WOFF - so you can use them also for naviagation.

You see, it's more a "flying after what you see; errors incl." but true navigation. ahoy


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#3985274 - 07/24/14 10:22 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Mr. Dirt, If you look down the posts a bit to "Navigation Question" you will get some great advice for navigating with maps. As a fairly new "navigator" I can tell you that it is a boat load of fun and it adds a whole new dimension to WOFF. After a few flights you get a feel for time and distance and you will get a feel for where you are. In the event you do get lost, its a not that hard to find your bearings. I am reminded of the Brian Keiths line in the old movie "The Mountain Men" when asked if he had ever been lost. "LOST! Hell no! Been powerful turned around for a couple of weeks but ain't never been lost!"


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#3985844 - 07/25/14 11:37 AM Re: WOFF Flanders Map is ready for all you navigators [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Or, spoken in other words:

Pilots never get lost, pilots get disorientated!


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