#3941696 - 04/19/14 05:14 PM
Re: Just How Bad Was the Fokker EIII?
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My most recent career started in May 1916 with RFC 24, flying the DH2. I've been playing steadily in WOFF since late December and I know I'm getting better. I've started ratcheting down the aids, e.g., I've turned off labels.
I know that the DH2 was one of the Entente aircraft that ended the "Fokker Scourge." It was more maneuverable, faster, and employed in larger masses. I'm no stranger to WWI aerial sims and I know that the Fokker is at a distinct disadvantage against DH2s and N11S.
But here's my problem: I've flown about 50 sorties and I've downed over fifty German aircraft, including about 45 Fokkers. I could easily chalk that up to my own growing abilities, but I know that I wasn't doing it alone. If I brought down about 45 Fokkers during those 50 sorties, my fellow pilots in "B" Flight brought down about 90!
Case in point: we were assigned an airfield attack in June 1916. We were too busy fending off Eindeckers to attack the field. Without a loss we shot down nine Fokkers. Next mission? Repeat the airfield attack. No losses another six Fokkers brought down. Next mission? Repeat airfield attack! This time we downed another nine. I strafed a truck and that apparently kept us from repeating the mission yet again.
On those three missions, "B" Flight of 24 RFC downed two-dozen Fokkers without a loss. Keep in mind that at this stage of the war the Germans probably only had about fifty Fokkers deployed from the Channel to the Swiss border. The Germans only produced about 250 EIIIs. My boys have downed about 150 in a bit more than two months. And who know what "A" Flight has been doing.
My recollection is that the disparity between the EIII and the DH2 as not quite as marked in Red Baron 3D.
Any of you play Rise of Flight? How does the EIII fair there versus the DH2? Everything I've read about WWI, says the EIII sucked when it came to fighter vs. fighter combat. It was slower than most of the single seaters it flew against, and it didn't turn as well. It was fine against the early 2-seaters, since most of them didn't have forward guns, and the BE-2 just flew like a truck. Most of the books I've read said you could not put the BE-2 into a spin. Even if you tried. Does that help?
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#3941714 - 04/19/14 06:19 PM
Re: Just How Bad Was the Fokker EIII?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanoe_HawkerAccording to this account: "Spurred by [Hawker's] aggressiveness, 24 Squadron had claimed some 70 victories by November [1916] at a cost of 12 of its own planes and 21 pilots killed, wounded or missing." No doubt, the 70 were not all Fokkers. But if half were--35--that's about a kill ratio of 3/1, versus EIIIs and 6/1 overall.
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#3945281 - 04/27/14 03:13 PM
Re: Just How Bad Was the Fokker EIII?
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. Ironwrench, the WWI "Immelmann Turn" is not the same as the half-loop with roll out, which is the 'modern' version. This is the original maneuver: Lou .
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#3945282 - 04/27/14 03:14 PM
Re: Just How Bad Was the Fokker EIII?
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For info, what you call the Immelmann turn is the modern version. The WW1 "Immelmann" refers to what we would call a "Hammerhead" in modern flying. Here is a picture from a 1918 flight manual ( Wikipedia ) Edit : Lou, you were faster...
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#3945283 - 04/27/14 03:18 PM
Re: Just How Bad Was the Fokker EIII?
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. Great minds think alike, eh corsaire31. BTW, for those interested, the above illustration is from the 1918 book, "Practical Flying" by W.G. McMinnies. Full PDF versions are readily avaiable online. Here is the Internet Archives offering: Practical Flying IMHO, this is one of the must reads for those of us interested in WWI flight and it's related combat sims. Enjoy! Lou .
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