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#3940525 - 04/17/14 04:49 AM Issue with medals in the Campaign...?  
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I just flew my 14th mission and shot down another 2 Nieup 16's to take my tally to 19 thus far.

Post mission I was awarded the Pour le Mérite for the 2nd time....???

I patched the game to the latest version so not sure what it up here.

#3940555 - 04/17/14 09:35 AM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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I'm no medal expert but as far as I know some recipients of the Orden Pour le Mérite received the award twice or more.


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#3940558 - 04/17/14 09:46 AM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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Sorry Pol, but no WWI pilot was ever awarded the Orden Pour le Mérite twice, and the only people who ever did where of extremely high rank and even then was very rare. IMHO, the PlM should be set so that it can only be given once in WOFF. My EIII pilot has just been presented it for the third time and he is at 19 victories and four months at the front.

Still the best WWI combat flight sim around though and I am loving it.

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#3940562 - 04/17/14 10:30 AM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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Yes, that should be fixed, if at all possible. As Lou wrote, no pilot was awarded the PLM twice. A second award came in the form of an oak leave cluster attached to the cross, and only high-ranking officers (or some heads of state of the Central Powers) received them in WW1. There were only a few dozen such awards compared the several hundreds of PLMs awarded during the Great War.

Also the PLM was never awarded to privates and NCOs (same goes for many other awards), but it's understandable that WOFF can't model every little detail of the rather complicated awards systems of the time. smile


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#3940566 - 04/17/14 10:47 AM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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Agreed Hasse. It would be nice if the coding could be worked so that privates and non-coms would receive the Goldenes Militär-Verdienstkreuz, (Golden Military Merit Cross), rather than the PlM, as this honour was considered the ORs "Blue Max". But as you say, there is only so much we can expect.
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#3940570 - 04/17/14 11:08 AM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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We don't have "with bars" or "with clusters" added to medals though. It should still be possible to receive another or with bars etc but anyway put it on the wish list by all means.


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#3940578 - 04/17/14 11:36 AM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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Well OK then, consider it on my list Pol. And by the way, I'm putting you and all the devs up for the Imperial Service Order. If ever there was group more deserving of this most prestigious honour it's you lot.



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#3940582 - 04/17/14 11:46 AM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Originally Posted By: RAF_Louvert
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Well OK then, consider it on my list Pol. And by the way, I'm putting you and all the devs up for the Imperial Service Order. If ever there was group more deserving of this most prestigious honour it's you lot.



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Lou;

That is a nice medal which I presume you have acquired. I have a collection too! We should exchange notes some time!


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#3940602 - 04/17/14 12:23 PM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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Robert, that ISO is actually in the KiwiMedals collection, much as I might wish it were in mine. Yes, we should trade notes, I'd like to see what you have gathered together over the years Sir and share with you my little gathering of Great War trinkets and baubles.

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#3940611 - 04/17/14 12:37 PM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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I believe the German silver chalice awarded for your first air kill doesn't get awarded if you have multiple kills confirmed at the same time.

I had 2 or 3 kills in one mission, on a new pilot, and they were later confirmed at the same time. He never got the award and would never receive it.


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#3940613 - 04/17/14 12:49 PM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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Yes, there seems to be a problem when multiple victories get confirmed at the same time and some awards are then skipped over.


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#3940685 - 04/17/14 02:50 PM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Originally Posted By: RAF_Louvert
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My EIII pilot has just been presented it for the third time and he is at 19 victories and four months at the front.

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Lou

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Lou, I hear those extra ones make excellent throwing stars for those top secret raids behind the lines! jamesbond


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#3940721 - 04/17/14 03:45 PM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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GASP! Use an original Great War vintage PlM as a throwing star? Sacrilege!

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#3940814 - 04/17/14 06:38 PM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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It would be great if the German award system could be reworked to be more historically accurate with no multpile PLM decorations and only one Iron Cross class in 1916 and 1917. Did anybody receive The Royal House Order of Hohenzollern?

#3940873 - 04/17/14 08:40 PM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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Many thanks Lou wink

Manfas, yes it would be great but the awards system is already incredibly complicated even to do what it does now.
To cope with all the different combinations, and the many rules would be a program in itself.


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#3941077 - 04/18/14 10:39 AM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: manfas]  
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Originally Posted By: manfas
It would be great if the German award system could be reworked to be more historically accurate with no multpile PLM decorations and only one Iron Cross class in 1916 and 1917. Did anybody receive The Royal House Order of Hohenzollern?


Actually there were three Iron Cross classes as authorized by the Kaiser in August 1914, when the decoration was re-established: the 2nd and 1st class, and the rare Grand Cross of the Iron Cross with only five recipients during the war.

I have seen the Hohenzollern Order on some AI pilots.


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#3941700 - 04/19/14 05:35 PM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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I don't know how the current German military hands out gongs, but in both WWI and WWII, so far as I know, no award was given out more than once. They way it worked was, you started at the bottom, and slowly worked your way up.

If you already had the Iron Cross 2nd class, your next award was the Iron Cross 1st class. The board game, "Dawn Patrol actually has a list of how the Prussian awards were handed out. For the German air service it was based on the number of victories. At least for fighter pilots. I don't know what the criteria was for bomber/recon pilots and gunners.

FYI, The blue max was first awarded at 8 victories when Immelmann and Boelcke got theirs. By the time MvR got his, the required number had been raised to 16. By 1918, it was 20. Some people mistakenly think it was raised beyond that late in the war, but that was only because it took longer, from the time the recipient made his 20th kill to the time it caught up with him.

I'm not sure what the standards were in WWII, but I'm sure it was something similar. Of course, as that war went on, they had to create newer and higher levels of the Knight's cross. Hence, oak leaves, swords, diamonds, and last, golden oak leaves. I think only Hans Ulrich Rudel got that last version. Then again, he did destroy 519 of tanks, sink a Russian battleship, and shot down 9 enemy aircraft. Mostly while flying a JU-87 Stuka.


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#3941792 - 04/19/14 09:34 PM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: SSPEIPER]  
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Al, is that the 'Dawn Patrol' of TSR fame? I used to have a copy of the ancient "Fight in the Skies" published by Tactical Studies Rules/Mike Carr. I've still got a tattered copy of Avalon Hill's Richtofen's War.

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#3941848 - 04/20/14 01:07 AM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: Leaf85]  
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Originally Posted By: Leaf85
Al, is that the 'Dawn Patrol' of TSR fame? I used to have a copy of the ancient "Fight in the Skies" published by Tactical Studies Rules/Mike Carr. I've still got a tattered copy of Avalon Hill's Richtofen's War.
Yup, that's the one. I had an original FITS that Mike Carr had published himself, and then the later version published by TSR, that added a sort of role playing element. That copy, I still have.


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#3941854 - 04/20/14 01:26 AM Re: Issue with medals in the Campaign...? [Re: Al Lowe]  
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Originally Posted By: Al Lowe
Originally Posted By: Leaf85
Al, is that the 'Dawn Patrol' of TSR fame? I used to have a copy of the ancient "Fight in the Skies" published by Tactical Studies Rules/Mike Carr. I've still got a tattered copy of Avalon Hill's Richtofen's War.
Yup, that's the one. I had an original FITS that Mike Carr had published himself, and then the later version published by TSR, that added a sort of role playing element. That copy, I still have.


Brilliant. That brought back a lot of good memories. Going to see if I can't find a copy somewhere. Cheers for that.

Appologies to the OP for off-topic.

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