true words friend.. but in few and all many world war 2 tank simulator i cant find hardly anytihng 'beter' then panzer front... have you?


i will go chck tiger interior right now again for game... i remember it was inaccurate

t34 was deifintely inaccurate.. it look like a big box with generic view'ports' and iwndows everywhere..

Some driver interior views...

...real Tiger I:



...and simulation:


Pretty close, for all the time you'll spend there.

Open the driver's hatch and stick your head out, and the sim's view is fine:



Turret interior is quite good too, in the sim:



And the sim? Steel Fury (modder-made Tiger I illustrated).

How are the tank interiors and hatch views, in Panzer Front?

In fact, I see the SF Tiger I interior is very similar to the T-v-T version, perhaps not surprising given a degree of common ancestry between SF and T-vT? Anyway both the T-vT and SF Tiger I interiors look quite realistic to me (T-v-T commander's station for the Tiger I is shown below):



As for the 'inaccurate' T-34 interior in T-v-T, it looks pretty good to me; perhaps it was being confused with something from a different sim?

'T-34 vs Tiger' driver's station, T-34-85:



T-34 vs Tiger commander's station, T-34-85, looking ahead and down into the front compartment:

Exteriors both look good...

T-v-T:




SF:



Having played both, T-v-T is good at simulating driving, shooting from and commanding a single T-34 or Tiger. Steel Fury does all that as well or nearly as well and is a MUCH better simulator of operating a tank (and leading a tank platoon) in battle. modded, it also has dozens of missions and playable vehicles, some of which are illustrated here: STA mod site tho many don't have 3-d interiors.

Panzer Elite is better than Steel Fury at platoon handling and in simulating intercom and radio traffic. It also has much wider scope, with stock campaigns in N Africa, Italy and Normandy, expanded with mods to include many other theatres of war including the Eastern Front, from early in WW2 to near the end.

PS there are 88s in Steel Fury but you can't operate them:



They're dangerous...



...but not invincible, especially if not well sited...





So, I made it over the bridge, with some other tanks and SU's...



...but then these people arrived...



...and this happened...

For playability Panzer Front was great fun.Panzer Elite although old still gives best in variance in combat theatres and units.

I remember following Tiger v T34 pre release but then for some reason lost interest along the way. Did they do a demo? i recall being let down by a tank demo many years ago.

Had some good tank battles in RO1 multiplayer. The D-Day mod for one of the ArmA series would have been awesome too.

friend are you not see..


driver view sit point (interior) generic




round wheel lever for viewport is not accurate.. lots of pipes and wrong inhistorical thing (what in god's name is that box near you in driver sit)???????????????


wheel for driver is also inhistorical..



everything look generic



when am see this picture.. i become sad

















whole structure (architecture engineering) for game is inccurate.. this is good game if you like generic empty walls and roof... and boxes with windows inside them and wheels that use one hand to operate... make is human.. human is make


T-34 most likely worse... interior look very empty and most likely filled iwth generism and robot for retribute unknown

game steel fury i fear get buy (waste money) they are say very generic and also make-up gunsight poor and heavy glitch, like world war 2 battle tanks

what tank of carrier gunsight is this picture? t34 76mm?

Don't forget that the T-v-T Tiger is later production model. The interior photos online and in books are probably mostly from the Bovington Tiger, 131. A lot of detail changed over the Tiger I's production run, outside and inside. The loader's periscope was added to the turret roof, ahead of the loader's hatch (in March 1943, according to this list, which doesn't cover changes to interior fittings: http://www.alanhamby.com/changes.shtml). Are you sure the driver's steering wheel was never changed to a simpler version with fewer spokes?

Anyway as I said, 100% accurate interiors are nice to have, but not that important for me. I spend very little or no time there, in combat. There are more important things for developers to spend their time on, in trying to get every fitting just right, in a sim on tank combat. I think the T-v-T (and where available, SF '42) interiors are quite impressive, good enough for me.

The gunsight is the T-34-85.

This is the gunsight from the Steel Fury T-34-76:



Edit: I see that the 2-spoke steering wheel is apparently CORRECT for a later-production Tiger I:

http://tiger1.info/EN/Hachette-steering-wheel.html

great website there you made... it say , true for changes, but still feel interior is something generic, something small..

thank for make, i 'm sorry for mistake, aslo, sorry for poor quality grammer, my english has forgiven me for bad.........


have fun for game friend!

I don't think T-v-T had a demo, but I think SF did have one. I wasn't THAT impressed by the full SF sim, as released, never mid a demo. I mean, I like the Matilda infantry tank (used in the training missions) - but in France 1940 or Africa 1940-41, not on the Eastern Front in 1942. Playable 1941-2 model T-34s and Panzer IVs were not very exciting either. But SF now is a whole new ballgame. More campaigns would be nice and it's still mostly eastern Front with some Western Desert and a smattering of NW Europe (on maps suspiciously eastern European-looking).



But it's now a much, much better package. Still inferior to Panzer Elite in platoon control facilities, simulation of intercom and radio traffic and the scope of its campaigns, but better in many other respects, not least sound, animations and graphics.






T-v-T would have been more my scene but was let down from the start by inferior missions and AI and its small tank-set has now been massively overtaken by SF, which was already ahead in most other respects.

No worries, your English is better than my other languages! And thanks for the tip, I will try Panzer Front if I get a chance. I would definitely recommend you try Steel Fury or good old Panzer Elite, they are the WW2 tank sims I think are best, in the sense of the most realistic at simulating fighting as a WW2 tank commander, gunner, driver or platoon leader.

1) IMHO primary
2) IMHO secondary

P.S. Is there people playing Panzer Elite in multiplaying?

I agree, which is likely the main reason that I still have a very high opinion of Panzer Elite (modded). For me this isn't an 'either, or' situation and Steel Fury (also modded) is more than good enough and has more than enough content for me to enjoy, too, for the things that it does well.

Panzer Elite Multi-Player uses client to client protocols not server to client protocols. Ever since Vista, it has been a pain to setup your firewall and router. Myself, I can join a game but I can not host a game. Help with connecting to PE MP: Connecting with Vista and above.

LAN games are not an issue, but that does not help the average person. Kali.net still supports PE. That may the the easiest way to play it. Gameranger was not interested in adding PE.

The MP over at PEDG has been slow for the last couple of years. You might ask there if anyone is interested in a game. Slomo and I tested his PP2x quite a bit, and worked out several bugs where data was not properly sent to clients.