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#3915568 - 02/23/14 11:36 AM RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing  
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Raw footage from my RFC 54 Campaign. AnKors dynamic self shadowing mod is just amazing. It really does bring the immersion of WOFF to yet another new level.

RFC 54 Campaign Engagement (720p)



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#3915574 - 02/23/14 11:55 AM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Hellshade]  
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Amazing Video. at 3:45 you were centimetres from a collision...I even lowered my head as I watched wink You are a great marksman.

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#3915584 - 02/23/14 12:51 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Hellshade]  
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Great film, but when did you start have the "sky band rings" ???

I do not have that on my GTX 780 Ti/332.21 NVidia drivers. I use to get that with my AMD/ATI cards/drivers, but not the NVidia cards/drivers.


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#3915590 - 02/23/14 01:16 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Hellshade]  
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Those glinting lights and shadows are an amazing addition to WOFF -
it makes it so much more realistic now!
I am glad that the devs are working together with AnKor at adding
this into "Wings Over Flanders Fields"!


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#3915596 - 02/23/14 01:40 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Hellshade]  
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Yes, it does look good.

How much does it affect FPS?


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#3915598 - 02/23/14 01:49 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Hellshade]  
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I don't see any FPS hit myself, but I'm running a fairly high end card. GTX 780 TI superclocked.


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#3915599 - 02/23/14 01:56 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Hellshade]  
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I'm running an ATI HD7870, and I cannot see any fraps-hits either.


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#3915613 - 02/23/14 02:25 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Hellshade]  
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Shadows like that are SOP for modern sims and the lack of them was one of the "long in the tooth" aspects of OFF/WOFF. Very glad to see them implemented!

#3915661 - 02/23/14 04:56 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: ArisFuser]  
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Originally Posted By: ArisFuser
Amazing Video. at 3:45 you were centimetres from a collision...I even lowered my head as I watched wink You are a great marksman.


And about a minute earlier, at 2:38 ish, I thought the two Albatri were going to collide! Excellent video as always! The glare on the windscreen is brilliant!

RR


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#3915680 - 02/23/14 06:11 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Originally Posted By: Rick_Rawlings

And about a minute earlier, at 2:38 ish, I thought the two Albatri were going to collide! Excellent video as always! The glare on the windscreen is brilliant!

RR


Those two are so close you also see the first Albatros cast a shadow on the 2nd as they cross, cool smile



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#3915690 - 02/23/14 06:31 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Hellshade]  
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Originally Posted By: Hellshade
I don't see any FPS hit myself, but I'm running a fairly high end card. GTX 780 TI superclocked.


Out of curiosity, what's the clock speed on your CPU?

Wish I could get Ankor's thing running, but just haven't had the time to look into it yet (crashes on mission load for me!)

#3915693 - 02/23/14 06:44 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: nhill40]  
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Originally Posted By: nhill40
Originally Posted By: Hellshade
I don't see any FPS hit myself, but I'm running a fairly high end card. GTX 780 TI superclocked.


Out of curiosity, what's the clock speed on your CPU?

Wish I could get Ankor's thing running, but just haven't had the time to look into it yet (crashes on mission load for me!)


Intel Core i7-4770k overclocked to 4.3 Ghz sir.


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#3915720 - 02/23/14 08:38 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Olham]  
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Originally Posted By: Olham
I'm running an ATI HD7870, and I cannot see any fraps-hits either.


Olham, if you add the ENB you will see some FPS hits but it does give you more control over the graphics and you can play with the settings. It's worth a try in your spare time (if u have any!).


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#3916188 - 02/24/14 08:43 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Hellshade]  
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Great stuff Hellshade... Do you (or anyone else for that matter, lol) have this mod in a JSGME format?

#3916194 - 02/24/14 08:50 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Trooper117]  
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Originally Posted By: TROOPER117
Great stuff Hellshade... Do you (or anyone else for that matter, lol) have this mod in a JSGME format?


yes I do. Pm me with an email address to send it to


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#3916197 - 02/24/14 08:56 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Originally Posted By: Robert_Wiggins
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Great stuff Hellshade... Do you (or anyone else for that matter, lol) have this mod in a JSGME format?


yes I do. Pm me with an email address to send it to


PM sent smile

#3916627 - 02/25/14 07:39 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Hellshade]  
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Oh man.. the surface reflection is still way too high IMO. I hope the glossy effect gets taken out before the new graphics get implemented.

Everything looks like it has a thick coat of lacquer. The high gloss sheen on the leather around the windshield stands out the most, of course. Makes it all look like polished metal. Sorry guys, but I'd rather use vanilla graphics if this effect can't be removed. frown

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#3916642 - 02/25/14 08:01 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Hellshade]  
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Actually I thought the same thing at first, Nefaro. Then somewhere (buried in one of these threads), someone quoted Mick Mannocks rules of engagement and survival in the air. Rule #12 was to not turn hard because the glint of sunlight off the wings could give your position away to enemy fighters even very far away. If the sun glint was so pronounced that he felt it was necessary to survival to do whatever possible to avoid it, it must have been a lot more than you or I might have imagined it was. I wouldn't have thought it would be much either but evidently it was there and it was significant.


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#3916664 - 02/25/14 08:29 PM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Hellshade]  
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Originally Posted By: Hellshade
...somewhere (buried in one of these threads), someone quoted Mick Mannocks rules of engagement

Someone?! Huh! biggrin

Originally Posted By: Hellshade
If the sun glint was so pronounced that he felt it was necessary to survival to do whatever possible
to avoid it, it must have been a lot more than you or I might have imagined it was.

Otto Fuchs wrote a passage in his book "Wir Flieger" about this. It goes:

"Again, I turn my attention towards the magic world of the clouds; I sail around the blinding marble columns,
spirited domed crests of lonely peaks, from which endless snow-covered flanks are lowering downwards, like
softly draped fleece.

Four fine flashes stab me in the eyes. Over there, beyond the inky-blue stream, four little silverfishes
are glinting in the sun... And more distant from them, a fifth. In a turn they made, the mirrored sunrays
betrayed them."



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#3916885 - 02/26/14 08:34 AM Re: RFC-54 Campaign Engagement video - AnKors Dynamic Self Shadows are amazing [Re: Nefaro]  
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Originally Posted By: Nefaro
Oh man.. the surface reflection is still way too high IMO. I hope the glossy effect gets taken out before the new graphics get implemented.

Everything looks like it has a thick coat of lacquer. The high gloss sheen on the leather around the windshield stands out the most, of course. Makes it all look like polished metal. Sorry guys, but I'd rather use vanilla graphics if this effect can't be removed. frown

As people pointed out - wings are shiny and reflective. It seems to be a common misconception that they look like wool. Perhaps this impression may have been created by contemporary photos which (if I recall correctly) weren't equally sensitive to all colors and caused even clear sunny weather to look like dull overcast.

However, I completely agree about the leather padding and some other parts of the cockpit being too shiny. There's no way they could look like this. The problem is - I can only get so much out of existing 3D models which weren't made with all these effects in mind. I'm constantly trying to find a good balance for these additional effects, perhaps even spending too much time on it which instead could have been put into something more useful.

To illustrate. This is "specularity" level for cockpits of of Pup, Camel, Alb DIII OAW, and Dr1:

Now, my current code uses a very simple approach - if specularity is higher than some level - add a strong glint of constant strength. I will try to make it better in the next beta, it will have more variety which will probably help.

However, if you compare these pictures - you will note that the specularity is inconsistent for similar parts of different planes. Thus if I reduce the glossiness for the Pup - the Camel and Dr1 will become too dull, and Alb's cockpit interior wall will anyways be more shiny that her wings which feels wrong. And note that Pup's near and far struts have different level of glossiness, which is still lower that leather padding. I doubt it will look good if I follow it exactly.
That's why it is difficult to find a good balance.
I understand you have no way and don't really need to know all these details, I just want to explain and defend a bit against the criticism. Though the constructive criticism is still welcome, it really helps to improve the quality smile

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