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#3883642 - 12/25/13 10:14 AM XBox 360 Controller  
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Hallo!

I fly with the XBox 360 Controller,and I want to bind the Rudders on the Z-Button.
But there is no Option in the Key-Settings.
Anyone knows how I could do this?

Thanks and Greetings.

#3883687 - 12/25/13 01:20 PM Re: XBox 360 Controller [Re: Akula]  
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Hi,

I use the same controller.
I suppose what you are calling a "Z-Buttton" is actually Z-Axis, i.e. trigger buttons. Am I right? smile
If so, then it is called "Throttle" axis in WOFF key settings.
However you will also had to invert it and key settings program doesn't allow it. Additionally I had a hard time making settings program recognize any axis during binding.

So, instead I just opened
C:\Users\your profile\AppData\Roaming\OBD_Games\OBDWW1 Over Flanders Fields\WOFFKeys.xca
in the notepad and edited it manually.
Here what it looks like for me now:
<Device Type="Microsoft Xbox 360 Controller">
<GameMode Name="Player">
... some lines skipped ...
<Axis ID="Throttle" Action="Set_Yaw" Scale="-64" Nullzone="0" FriendlyDesc="Yaw Control (Rudder)" Category="AircraftControl" P4Use="y"/>
<Axis ID="Rudder" Action="" Scale="64" Nullzone="0" FriendlyDesc="" Category="AircraftControl" P4Use="y"/>

I set Action="Set_Yaw" for an axis with ID="Throttle" (i.e. our Z-Axis) and additionally I set Scale="-64" to make it inverted.
At the same time I removed the action from the axis called "Rudder". Most likely this is not needed, but I did it just to make sure there are no conflicts.

Last edited by AnKor; 01/13/14 12:08 PM. Reason: Removed a stray '[' between lines <Axis ...> lines
#3883785 - 12/25/13 06:31 PM Re: XBox 360 Controller [Re: Akula]  
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Thank you.
That's a Service.

#3894023 - 01/12/14 04:27 PM Re: XBox 360 Controller [Re: Akula]  
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It all works Perfect.
I hot my first Claim now.
Thanks you very much for your help.

#3894348 - 01/13/14 11:39 AM Re: XBox 360 Controller [Re: AnKor]  
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Originally Posted By: AnKor
Hi,

I use the same controller.
I suppose what you are calling a "Z-Buttton" is actually Z-Axis, i.e. trigger buttons. Am I right? smile
If so, then it is called "Throttle" axis in WOFF key settings.
However you will also had to invert it and key settings program doesn't allow it. Additionally I had a hard time making settings program recognize any axis during binding.

So, instead I just opened
C:\Users\your profile\AppData\Roaming\OBD_Games\OBDWW1 Over Flanders Fields\WOFFKeys.xca
in the notepad and edited it manually.
Here what it looks like for me now:
<Device Type="Microsoft Xbox 360 Controller">
<GameMode Name="Player">
... some lines skipped ...
<Axis ID="Throttle" Action="Set_Yaw" Scale="-64" Nullzone="0" FriendlyDesc="Yaw Control (Rudder)" Category="AircraftControl" P4Use="y"/>[
<Axis ID="Rudder" Action="" Scale="64" Nullzone="0" FriendlyDesc="" Category="AircraftControl" P4Use="y"/>

I set Action="Set_Yaw" for an axis with ID="Throttle" (i.e. our Z-Axis) and additionally I set Scale="-64" to make it inverted.
At the same time I removed the action from the axis called "Rudder". Most likely this is not needed, but I did it just to make sure there are no conflicts.



AnKor, do you know if it worked the same way in OFF3?

Thanks,
Dirk.

#3894354 - 01/13/14 12:07 PM Re: XBox 360 Controller [Re: Dirk98]  
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Originally Posted By: Dirk98
AnKor, do you know if it worked the same way in OFF3?

Most likely. It is purely CFS3 stuff. Just need find the .xca file smile

#3894387 - 01/13/14 02:01 PM Re: XBox 360 Controller [Re: Akula]  
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AnKor I hope to teach my older brother flying in OFF3 on another pc. How do you generally use XBOX360 joystick? Do you fly only in external view with it, how exactly do you aim in the outside view?

Guys, your comments on this would be very helpful.

Thanks,
Dirk.

#3894430 - 01/13/14 03:43 PM Re: XBox 360 Controller [Re: Akula]  
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I usually fly in virtual cockpit mode - I made a simple tool which allows me to use right stick to look around (some demonstration here http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3877580/Re_Mouse_look#Post3877580 - though that was a mouse-look version, I haven't published xbox one yet). The ability to freely look around is the key for enjoying the game, without this tool I wouldn't be playing WOFF.

Other that that the controls are pretty straightforward:
Left stick - pitch and roll;
Triggers - rudder;
LB/RB - engine RPM;
Back - unjam guns;
Start - start engine;
A - fire guns;
X - blip switch;
Y - zoom-in;
B - switch views (like F6) for now, but I considering remapping it to something else.

Mixture is on auto in difficulty settings. I can control it from keyboard but don't really want to bother at the moment.

POV buttons cannot be remapped in CFS3, but I use a custom driver which allows to turn them into "normal" buttons, right now I also mapped them to zoom in/out but thinking about other uses.

#3894448 - 01/13/14 04:12 PM Re: XBox 360 Controller [Re: Akula]  
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For those guys without an xbox controller there are other more maintstream PC options for freely looking around. NaturalPoint's TracKIR of course, or FaceTrackNOIR (free) for example.


Regards,

Polovski,
OBD Software, developers of immersive flight sims;
Wings Over Flanders Fields and Wings Over The Reich
http://www.overflandersfields.com
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#3894706 - 01/13/14 11:31 PM Re: XBox 360 Controller [Re: AnKor]  
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Originally Posted By: AnKor
I usually fly in virtual cockpit mode - I made a simple tool which allows me to use right stick to look around (some demonstration here http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3877580/Re_Mouse_look#Post3877580 - though that was a mouse-look version, I haven't published xbox one yet). The ability to freely look around is the key for enjoying the game, without this tool I wouldn't be playing WOFF.

Other that that the controls are pretty straightforward:
Left stick - pitch and roll;
Triggers - rudder;
LB/RB - engine RPM;
Back - unjam guns;
Start - start engine;
A - fire guns;
X - blip switch;
Y - zoom-in;
B - switch views (like F6) for now, but I considering remapping it to something else.

Mixture is on auto in difficulty settings. I can control it from keyboard but don't really want to bother at the moment.

POV buttons cannot be remapped in CFS3, but I use a custom driver which allows to turn them into "normal" buttons, right now I also mapped them to zoom in/out but thinking about other uses.


AnKor, any chance to try out your tool for mouselook emulation on XBOX360? I know that XBOX360 is what will work for my brother. TIR, sticks, throttles, complex profiles are a bit over the top for him at this stage. XBOX360 would be perfect as an introductory controller.

Much thanks,
Dirk.

#3894956 - 01/14/14 02:03 PM Re: XBox 360 Controller [Re: Polovski]  
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Here it is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2918136/cfs/Xbox360Track.20140114.zip
Follow the instructions from mouse view thread, but with this tool instead of MouseTrack. You will still need to use FaceTrackNOIR and get TIRViews.dll to make it work with CFS3.

And I have no idea whether it will work for you or not smile
I just quickly put it together for myself and I still want to make some more changes but just don't have time for that. It is a bit annoying to have to start two programs before playing the game.

Originally Posted By: Polovski
For those guys without an xbox controller there are other more maintstream PC options for freely looking around. NaturalPoint's TracKIR of course, or FaceTrackNOIR (free) for example.

Of course. My solution already relies on FaceTrackNOIR. Apparently I can just use a webcam instead, but the whole point of using xbox controller is that you have everything at your hands and don't need anything else smile

#3894999 - 01/14/14 03:49 PM Re: XBox 360 Controller [Re: Akula]  
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Thanks again, AnKor!

Dirk.

#4063296 - 01/13/15 07:44 AM Re: XBox 360 Controller [Re: Akula]  
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Hello, I just wanted to pop in and give a big "Thank You" to AnKor for making this outstanding utility! As a fellow 360 controller user it is much appreciated thumbsup Now my plan to be able to play all my favorite games on my big TV from the comfort of my couch has almost come to fruition!


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