Is anybody having luck landing Nieuports? If so I would appreciate some words of wisdom (or a video!!) on how you do it. I'm afraid the boys in ESC 67 are going to send me back to training school soon if I don't get some advice (grin).

So, I am flying a N11 in my current career, and was in a N16 previously. I am having a heck of a time landing these figgity little birds safely. As soon as my tail-skid touches the ground, the ass end of the plane seems to skid sideways, and I drag a wingtip across the field. As I finally come to a stop, the plane's tail slids right around and I am facing the way I came. I can land most other planes no problem, but these Nieups have me in trouble. Any tips?

best way for landing a nieuport without moving or slewing from side to side that I have found is to increase your throttle to 100% and start from about 1000 ft, point it straight down when you get over the airfield. decrease your throttle to 0, but keep it pointed straight down. Once you crash into the ground you will note that your plane is in exactly the same orientation it hit the ground in and hasn't move a bit.

sorry, could not resist.

I would think come in low and level and keep it of the ground as long as possible, until it can't stay up and the wheels touch the ground. Then do the same with the tail. Hopefully you are going quite slow once the tail skid hits the ground that if it does move it won't affect the plane too much. I actually haven't flown a nieuport yet in WOFF, might have to try it now.

Timing, and use blip and burst the throttle very briefly before you stop with opposite rudder to the tail's rotation. If you are going too slow this won't do much though.

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You have to fly the Bebe 'to the field', a three-point landing is not the way to go. Throttle back using the blip as you line up and pick your spot on the runway. Come in at a gentle angle, about 7 degrees or so, and plant the front wheels at about 40 mph. Keep using the blip switch occasionally and allow the tail skid to settle down on its own, and be ready to give rudder as needed to stay pointed forward. As you coast to a stop you can give an extra little blip and swing around in front of the hanger if you like. Once you have come to full stop shut off the engine. Easy peasy ... sort off. It really does take a bit of practice to get adept at it.

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Know your aeroplane!...
Know your stall speed.
Approach just above stall.
Switch off!!
Stay in the glide and maintain correct glide speed.
Land, HURRAH!

Yep.. I try to let off the blip for an occasional short burst after touching down while pushing the opposite direction with the rudder when it starts to turn on it's own. You don't have to go nuts with these methods to make a difference - just regularly enough to slow down such tendencies. Mine usually ends up in the final slowdown making me turn a bit but I can avoid dragging the wings into the ground by making an effort.

Same goes for any aircraft with a rotary engine.

This is the biggest help is making sure you have enough speed to keep it from trying to spin over. One or two good last "blips" just as speed is starting to really slacken will help.

My engine always seems to shut off by itself in WOFF, before the airplane has come to a full stop. Is this a feature of the sim or am I holding the blip in so long at the end of the deceleration that it dies?

I had thought it was the latter but I think some inline engines have been automatically shutting off after touching down and idling for a bit too.

Yes, don't keep the blip button pressed too long. It does cut the engine when your revs drop right off. It's not something you can hold in at your leisure.

Thanks guys. My mechanic is thrilled because I made a landing last night that didn't require him to spend all day repairing damage (hurray!)

The trick is, as RAF_Louvert said, to come in flat and land on just the wheels. Gotta keep that tail-skid off the ground as long as possible. When the skid does touch down, full left rudder is needed to counteract a swing to the right. It is still a bit harrowing.

I'm not sure I fully understand the specific effect blips on the throttle have ... a blast of air onto the rudder increases rudder control, or torque of engine turns the plan a certain way? Does anybody have a simple analogy that I could understand? Anyway, I'll try to experiment with that.

If at all possible, landing into the wind is a big advantage, and watch for cross winds. In OFF there was a windsock to check when u are landing. I haven't checked for one in WOFF, but have a look.

Windsock is there...I always check it on my downwind leg. Just like in real life.

I try to make this kind of landing with all these WWI aircraft. Their tail skids are just that - skids. Not wheels. So you don' t want them to strike the ground too early.



Dunno for sure but I think it's the air flow. At least that's what I've read. It may be some combination.

Am I missing something here? To tell you the truth, I find the WOFF Nieuports very easy to land, almost too easy. I do not experience the same difficulties landing a WOFF Nieuport that I do when I try to put down an ROF Nieuport. I fly WOFF full real, but I have not experienced the gyroscopic effect upon landing a WOFF Nieuport that I experience with the ROF Nieuport. I am not saying one is better than the other, just saying that the WOFF rotary engine aircraft are very easy to land. But if this helps, I usually line up the horizontal line of my gunsite with the horizon and try to keep it there as I reduce throttle. Eventually, my wheels touch the ground (with no bounce) and I cut the engine. Then I let my crate roll until the skid makes contact with the ground. At this point, I bring my elevators up which slows me to a dead stop.

Hi Seamus. Neither the Bebe or N16 have a gunsight, so you must be flying a more modern Nieuport (N17?) than the ones I am having trouble with. That might be the difference; I can't really say as I have not flown a N17 in WOFF yet.