#3682538 - 11/15/12 11:28 AM
Research for Malta campaign
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Malta in CoD? Wha? Sure, we don't have the right landscape/map/but we do have, with a little imagination, an island of the same size to fly off ...with airfields no less And all the right combatants - Italy: Regia Aeronautica BR20 (can substitute for SM79), G50 (can substitute for C200) - RAF: Hal Far Gladiators not Sea Gladiators, but close enough), 417/261 Sq Hurricanes, FAA Sunderland - LW: Fliegerkorps X Ju87 (though without the SC1000 shipbuster), JG26 109E3s (not 7s, but hey), Bf110C (not Ds, but OK), Ju88A, He111H. And some skins Is anyone aware of: - other skins out there with Med schemes for LG1, KG26, ZG26, JG26? - could injectfxaa be used to make the landscape colours more Med-like?
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#3683057 - 11/16/12 09:15 AM
Re: Research for Malta campaign
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#3683201 - 11/16/12 03:36 PM
Re: Research for Malta campaign
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Mk V in CoD - wouldn't that be nice? (And in IL2 we used to moan that we didn't have any Mk I or IIs)
Any Spit would have been welcome in Malta apparently, but they weren't released for Malta until '42.
True story, I was on a plane to the US recently, reading the Air Battle for Malta, by Douglas Hamilton. It has a picture of a Spitfire on the cover. An elderly gentleman, but still quite spry, was sitting next to me. After a while, he leaned over and asked me "It looks like you are absorbed by that book, what are you reading?" So I showed him the cover.
"Hmph. There were no bloody Spitfires on Malta when I was there," he grunted.
Turns out he had been in the British foreign service, based on Malta, between '38 and '41. He said to the civilians of Malta, the RAF was invisible, and first the Italians, then the Luftwaffe, were able to bomb the island and the convoys resupplying it, with impunity. They felt they had been abandoned by Britain, fobbed off with a few obsolete fighters which were wiped out almost as soon as they arrived.
"The actions of the RAF in those years were few, and insignificant. It was the navy that saved us," he said. "But I admired their pluck. It was suicidal being an RAF pilot in those first years of the war."
Interesting bloke. He went on to Borneo after Malta, then Burma. I'm sure his memoirs would make interesting reading!
PS I asked him about the famous story of 'Faith, Hope and Charity' (I've actually seen one of them in the war museum on Malta myself). His comment was "A load of rot. They stayed grounded most of the time, and were all kaput after the first few weeks of the seige. Just propaganda. They ended up in the garbage dump."
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#3683702 - 11/17/12 10:00 AM
Re: Research for Malta campaign
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You do realize that one of you airfields on the Isle of Wight is right on top of my house, there will be parking fees.
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#3685157 - 11/19/12 11:40 PM
Re: Research for Malta campaign
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... He said to the civilians of Malta, the RAF was invisible, and first the Italians, then the Luftwaffe, were able to bomb the island and the convoys resupplying it, with impunity. They felt they had been abandoned by Britain, fobbed off with a few obsolete fighters which were wiped out almost as soon as they arrived.
"The actions of the RAF in those years were few, and insignificant. It was the navy that saved us," he said. "But I admired their pluck. It was suicidal being an RAF pilot in those first years of the war."
... PS I asked him about the famous story of 'Faith, Hope and Charity' (I've actually seen one of them in the war museum on Malta myself). His comment was "A load of rot. They stayed grounded most of the time, and were all kaput after the first few weeks of the seige. Just propaganda. They ended up in the garbage dump." Here is a link to everything you want to know about Gladiators and the air conflict over Malta in 1940: Gladiators and Malta Also, here you'll find more on the subject of Malta, Gladiators, and mythic story of "Faith Hope and Charity": Wingmen Productions Finally, here is a link to an IL-2 Movie called "Faith, Hope, and Charity". Do not use it for your Research...It is a Fictional story merely "inspired" by the actual events...it is NOT historically accurate, nor was it intended to be.
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#3686376 - 11/21/12 11:07 PM
Re: Research for Malta campaign
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... He said to the civilians of Malta, the RAF was invisible, and first the Italians, then the Luftwaffe, were able to bomb the island and the convoys resupplying it, with impunity. They felt they had been abandoned by Britain, fobbed off with a few obsolete fighters which were wiped out almost as soon as they arrived.
"The actions of the RAF in those years were few, and insignificant. It was the navy that saved us," he said. "But I admired their pluck. It was suicidal being an RAF pilot in those first years of the war."
... PS I asked him about the famous story of 'Faith, Hope and Charity' (I've actually seen one of them in the war museum on Malta myself). His comment was "A load of rot. They stayed grounded most of the time, and were all kaput after the first few weeks of the seige. Just propaganda. They ended up in the garbage dump." Here is a link to everything you want to know about Gladiators and the air conflict over Malta in 1940: Gladiators and Malta Also, here you'll find more on the subject of Malta, Gladiators, and mythic story of "Faith Hope and Charity": Wingmen Productions Finally, here is a link to an IL-2 Movie called "Faith, Hope, and Charity". Do not use it for your Research...It is a Fictional story merely "inspired" by the actual events...it is NOT historically accurate, nor was it intended to be. Great. Thanks that's a fantastic clip, true story or no. I think the Gladiator angle has been done, actually I'm thinking more of a naval blockade angle, from the Axis side, because I think the RAF side could be a little monotonous. Heroic but repetitive. Take off under fire. Fight against the odds. Get shot down. Repeat. From the Axis side though it s much more varied and interesting. You start as Italy, with your crap planes against the Brit crap planes. Then the Hurricanes start to make an impact and its a bit more of a fight. AAA is a real factor with more than 200 guns on the island. Then the LW weighs in. You would have to maintain air superiority, against the forces on the island but also reinforcements being flown in. You would have to try to blockade naval supply, find and destroy convoys. Support naval engagements with air cover and air attack. If the ships or aircraft get through, mission fail. If they don't, mission success. Multiple flyable aircraft types. Lots of Ju87 missions, combat air patrols in 109s, or 110s, naval recon in Do17s, Heinkel raids on Malta. Then the balance of power shifts. Numbers are more even on both sides. More reinforcements than you can stop. Blenheims, Beaufighters. And that is all just in 1941...
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#3686504 - 11/22/12 05:46 AM
Re: Research for Malta campaign
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... He said to the civilians of Malta, the RAF was invisible, and first the Italians, then the Luftwaffe, were able to bomb the island and the convoys resupplying it, with impunity. They felt they had been abandoned by Britain, fobbed off with a few obsolete fighters which were wiped out almost as soon as they arrived.
"The actions of the RAF in those years were few, and insignificant. It was the navy that saved us," he said. "But I admired their pluck. It was suicidal being an RAF pilot in those first years of the war."
... PS I asked him about the famous story of 'Faith, Hope and Charity' (I've actually seen one of them in the war museum on Malta myself). His comment was "A load of rot. They stayed grounded most of the time, and were all kaput after the first few weeks of the seige. Just propaganda. They ended up in the garbage dump." Here is a link to everything you want to know about Gladiators and the air conflict over Malta in 1940: Gladiators and Malta Also, here you'll find more on the subject of Malta, Gladiators, and mythic story of "Faith Hope and Charity": Wingmen Productions Finally, here is a link to an IL-2 Movie called "Faith, Hope, and Charity". Do not use it for your Research...It is a Fictional story merely "inspired" by the actual events...it is NOT historically accurate, nor was it intended to be. Great. Thanks that's a fantastic clip, true story or no. I think the Gladiator angle has been done, actually I'm thinking more of a naval blockade angle, from the Axis side, because I think the RAF side could be a little monotonous. Heroic but repetitive. Take off under fire. Fight against the odds. Get shot down. Repeat. From the Axis side though it s much more varied and interesting. You start as Italy, with your crap planes against the Brit crap planes. Then the Hurricanes start to make an impact and its a bit more of a fight. AAA is a real factor with more than 200 guns on the island. Then the LW weighs in. You would have to maintain air superiority, against the forces on the island but also reinforcements being flown in. You would have to try to blockade naval supply, find and destroy convoys. Support naval engagements with air cover and air attack. If the ships or aircraft get through, mission fail. If they don't, mission success. Multiple flyable aircraft types. Lots of Ju87 missions, combat air patrols in 109s, or 110s, naval recon in Do17s, Heinkel raids on Malta. Then the balance of power shifts. Numbers are more even on both sides. More reinforcements than you can stop. Blenheims, Beaufighters. And that is all just in 1941... Sounds like a very interesting campaign. Wheels
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#3821275 - 08/12/13 11:55 AM
Re: Research for Malta campaign
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Going through the online journal of an RAF flight sergeant who served on Malta, I found this photograph titled only 'allied aircraft taking off 1943' What the heck is it? And which country? It looks like a Ju88! H
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#3821320 - 08/12/13 02:44 PM
Re: Research for Malta campaign
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The plane is a Ju188, captured obviously... Something like this:
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