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#3979632 - 07/11/14 03:21 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Mdore]  
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Is there any truth to the story that the Serbs used tampered microwave ovens to spoof NATO anti-radiation missiles?

Sorry if that's a total noob question...

Just did a google, and this guy pretty much destroys the plausibility of it being effective, at least the counter arguments seem convincing to a lay-man like me... counter-arguments.

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#3979663 - 07/11/14 04:03 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Cold_Gambler]  
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Originally Posted By: Cold_Gambler
Is there any truth to the story that the Serbs used tampered microwave ovens to spoof NATO anti-radiation missiles?

Sorry if that's a total noob question...


Just compare the microwave power output (~1kW) to a Neva SNR (~200kW).


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#3979726 - 07/11/14 05:58 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Mdore]  
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I believe they used bona-fide purpose-made decoys instead, like the photos that Hpasp posted smile


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#3979731 - 07/11/14 06:14 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Cold_Gambler]  
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Originally Posted By: Cold_Gambler
Is there any truth to the story that the Serbs used tampered microwave ovens to spoof NATO anti-radiation missiles?

Sorry if that's a total noob question...

Just did a google, and this guy pretty much destroys the plausibility of it being effective, at least the counter arguments seem convincing to a lay-man like me... counter-arguments.


I just couldn't hold myself from posting this... biggrin Zoltan Dani with microwave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=arbyw7dZZRU#t=590

It appears that Serbs invented this myth themselves... For some kind of purpose




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#3979743 - 07/11/14 06:24 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Lonewolf357]  
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Originally Posted By: Lonewolf357


I just couldn't hold myself from posting this... biggrin Zoltan Dani with microwave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=arbyw7dZZRU#t=590

It appears that Serbs invented this myth themselves... For some kind of purpose




Yep! In later interviews Colonel Dani told that this was a "marketing trick" (as the so called "special" radar modification) in the information war....

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#3979785 - 07/11/14 07:34 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: piston79]  
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Damn, poor ST-68/36D6.... sigh



Quite a miss.
IMHO the ST-68 is still operable after this hit, with reduced effectiveness...
... just like this one.
(Note the shrapnel marks)


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#3979787 - 07/11/14 07:36 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp


Quite a miss.
IMHO the ST-68 is still operable after this hit, with reduced effectiveness...



Man, it was without warhead.... rolleyes

Here real one against same target:





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#3979789 - 07/11/14 07:37 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Mdore]  
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Ah! Thanks very much for confirming that it was just propaganda.

I can't see YouTube at work but the Wikipedia entry on Dani is quite interesting.


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#3979796 - 07/11/14 07:54 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
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Quite a miss.
IMHO the ST-68 is still operable after this hit, with reduced effectiveness...



Man, it was without warhead.... rolleyes

Here real one against same target:

Click to reveal..





Guessed so...
... they also fixed its direction towards the launcher, to make HARM life easier.
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#3979805 - 07/11/14 08:14 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp


Guessed so...
... they also fixed its direction towards the launcher, to make HARM life easier.
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It is not clear what they where testing with this particular launch (total of 12 where commenced), but it has a lot of sub system to be tested...

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/ita...wn-there-01852/

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AARGM Block 0. Initial fielded variant. Incorporates a detalink, and GPS point-to-point weapon navigation so it can be directed toward known and last-seen targets. On top of that, its multi-sensor system includes passive digital Anti-Radiation Homing with an increased field of view and increased detection range, counter shutdown algorithms that remember where radars were, active Millimeter Wave radar guidance for final attack, and a Weapon Impact Assessment transmitter datalink that sends information back at appropriate times.

AARGM Block 1. Full combat capability. Corrects a number of classified deficiencies, and adds a netted targeting real-time feed via Integrated Broadcast System (IBS) prior to missile launch. The IBS Receiver interfaces lets the system receive national intelligence data directly.

#3981382 - 07/15/14 09:25 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Mdore]  
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Got a question about ARMs in SAM sim. I don't know about the Shrikes in the Linebacker scenarios, but HARMs pop up slightly after they're fired, so shouldn't they leave the FoV on the targeting radar when they're launched at you in SAM sim?

#4014668 - 09/26/14 12:53 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Mdore]  
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Hi! Anybody has some information what's the real capabilities of the ALARM missile against like SA-10?

The parachute mode, and the not too impressive max range not really answer the hype of the Alarm. Or?

#4014674 - 09/26/14 01:09 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Mdore]  
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#4014694 - 09/26/14 02:02 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: scrim]  
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HARMs have some form of inertial guidance capability, as well as a ridiculously wide FoV last I checked (but not necessarily confirmed with good sources). The self-protect launch mode for the HARM even allows for shots against threats behind the 3-9 line, at least IIRC.

The pre-briefed mode allows you to launch the missile from quite far away, with a pre-programmed threat for it to go after - you're basically launching against a threat that might not be emitting yet from far away, and once that radar turns on, the HARM will go after it.

Originally Posted By: scrim
Got a question about ARMs in SAM sim. I don't know about the Shrikes in the Linebacker scenarios, but HARMs pop up slightly after they're fired, so shouldn't they leave the FoV on the targeting radar when they're launched at you in SAM sim?

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#4014996 - 09/27/14 07:50 AM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: apelles]  
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Originally Posted By: apelles
Hi! Anybody has some information what's the real capabilities of the ALARM missile against like SA-10?

The parachute mode, and the not too impressive max range not really answer the hype of the Alarm. Or?


Based on what I knew about SA-10, it cannot see the object on chute....

#4015000 - 09/27/14 08:02 AM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: apelles
Hi! Anybody has some information what's the real capabilities of the ALARM missile against like SA-10?

The parachute mode, and the not too impressive max range not really answer the hype of the Alarm. Or?


Based on what I knew about SA-10, it cannot see the object on chute....


Contrary to the Patriot, the S-300PMU battery has 3 radar sets.
- 36D6 (Tin Shield) could detect the ALARM in both modes
- 76N6 (Clam Shell) could detect the ALARM while it is approaching, could not detect it under the parachute
- 30N6 (Tomb Stone) could detect and engage the ALARM while it is approaching, could not detect it under the parachute



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#4015030 - 09/27/14 11:14 AM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp


Contrary to the Patriot, the S-300PMU battery has 3 radar sets.
- 36D6 (Tin Shield) could detect the ALARM in both modes
- 76N6 (Clam Shell) could detect the ALARM while it is approaching, could not detect it under the parachute
- 30N6 (Tomb Stone) could detect and engage the ALARM while it is approaching, could not detect it under the parachute



yep

#4015165 - 09/27/14 06:11 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Mdore]  
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30N6 is a CW radar? I am too lazy to search for it now....

#4015183 - 09/27/14 06:56 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
30N6 is a CW radar? I am too lazy to search for it now....


yep! Imagine a lot of small "Vega"-s all together...(What a dream huh? biggrin

#4015189 - 09/27/14 07:10 PM Re: Anti-Radiation missiles [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
30N6 is a CW radar? I am too lazy to search for it now....


yep! Imagine a lot of small "Vega"-s all together...(What a dream huh? biggrin


nope

It is a digital phase modulation steered, pencil beam, impulse doppler radar, with an additional CW function.

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