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#3760391 - 03/31/13 04:33 PM GBU bug?  
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I'm playing 'Tiger Spirit' campaign for the first time. In mission 12:01 Strike, the underground factory, I drop both GBU's and switch to A-A mode to cover my wingmen while they drop. Enemy fighter activity is moderate and I have 4 AIM-120's (2 B's and 2 C's) on hardpoints, but I can't call them up. I didn't jettison them. They show on the SMS page, but I can't select them. The FCR behaves like I'm empty of ordnance. I try to cycle through the hardpoints but they won't slave or bore. Radar locks up a target, but acts like there's nothing to fire. Dogfight mode same; locks a target but no HUD weapon cues. Not even a gun pipper. Of course, I get shot down and all 3 wingmen are KIA. In the default loadout, there are no AIM-9's.

I tried replaying the mission and the same thing happens with the FCR. Fortunately, the second time enemy air cover is nil. I then egress and complete the mission.

This problem has not recurred yet in any other mission and the TE "Laser-guided Bombs" works normally. There I can switch to A-A weapons and engage wingmen (no A-A threats in that TE) after dropping GBU's. The difference might be the loadout in the TE is not exactly the same.

Has anyone else noticed this problem?

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#3760879 - 04/01/13 05:53 PM Re: GBU bug? [Re: Dufus]  
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Okay. Now another weird thing happened. Mission 15:07 (again, day 1) SEAD Strike, no countermeasures. I mean, they're loaded and powered up, but they won't dispense. Program/Mode makes no difference. Betty...silent. Next mission, alls back to normal.

Is this the official forum to report bugs for v4.33? Ice?

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#3761058 - 04/01/13 09:44 PM Re: GBU bug? [Re: Dufus]  
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hmm... Problem 1 sound like you are in master safe, but you say you dropped bombs so you should be already in master arm. A key binding collision maybe? (EDIT: nope, you say it works on a TE)

Problem 2 might be that you don't have any CM program actually programmed. The solution depends on the Falcon flavor you're flying. Is it AF, BMS, FreeFalcon?

Regardless of version, beware that what you set up for the campaing (in terms of the DTC) it not what you get on the TE if the plane is a different model... I believe.. I'm not sure in BMS, but it happened in AF.

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#3761118 - 04/01/13 11:43 PM Re: GBU bug? [Re: WileECoyote]  
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Sorry. Operation Tiger Spirit is only in BMS. I figured anyone who plays BMS would know that Campaign and what I am referring to.

It's not anything to do with the plane, per se. I can see the cockpit switches are set right, and I can see the missiles on my hardpoints in exterior view. It's the application getting confused, not me. Then again, I am Dufus after all.

#3761259 - 04/02/13 10:13 AM Re: GBU bug? [Re: Dufus]  
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Sorry, I thought you were talking AF, as your other thread was AF.

Your problem with the A-A weapons sounds familiar, one of my buddies experienced this problem a few months ago, but only once. I can't remember how he "fixed" it but it may have involved going back to NAV mode and then trying the Dogfight switch to go MRM. Since it only happened once, I can't say we have much "experience" with it. Might be worth posting in the BMS forums to see if others have had the same problem.

As for the CM problem, verify that you have your Chaffs and Flares on in the CMDS panel. If you started in a cold jet, you may have forgotten to turn these on during the ramp start.


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#3762042 - 04/03/13 06:39 PM Re: GBU bug? [Re: - Ice]  
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I thought this was the BMS forum. Where is BMS forum?

#3762064 - 04/03/13 07:05 PM Re: GBU bug? [Re: Dufus]  
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This is the Falcon sub-forum in SimHQ.

THIS is the official BMS forums.


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#3762256 - 04/03/13 11:52 PM Re: GBU bug? [Re: Dufus]  
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I assume because this is the "Falcon forum" of SimHQ it caters to all versions of Falcon: 1.0, AT, 3.0, 4.0, AF, Open, RedViper, BMS, etc. etc. etc.

Not being able to select AAM after utilizing AG weapons is an unheard of issue in BMS so it's most likely something you are doing incorrect procedurally. Are you loading your data cartridge on mission start? You say you see the missiles in SMS but you cannot select them? Can you select them in AA mode instead of MRM override? What is displayed on the SMS page exactly?

#3762861 - 04/05/13 01:09 AM Re: GBU bug? [Re: Frederf]  
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I don't use a data cartridge. I made a macro initiated by a hotkey so it always sets up the cockpit the same way.

SMS page looked normal but I could not select any hardpoints. First time it happened I switched to exterior view to see if my weapons were gone; as in jettisoned. I know I could just turn and look too, but in exterior view you can see all stations. I had 4 AIM-120's. HUD showed no AIM-120 cue or range to release. Holding pickle did nothing. Target lock made no difference.

I agree, it's unusual. A 'PICNIC' is possible, especially since it hasn't recurred. However, if I get a chance I will try to re-create the problem and make some screenies.

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#3762895 - 04/05/13 02:06 AM Re: GBU bug? [Re: Dufus]  
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Well, if it does happen again, take a few screenshots of say the HUD, wide cockpit, and SMS page and we might be able to figure it out.

#3767409 - 04/14/13 06:18 AM Re: GBU bug? [Re: Dufus]  
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Master arm on is automatically selected for any weapon you're practicing with in the TEs. However, it needs to be manually selected to activate the weapon once you're in a campaign.

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#3774666 - 04/29/13 12:31 AM Re: GBU bug? [Re: Dufus]  
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It did happen a few times more, but I figured out why. I had not installed the updates correctly, so I was playing v4.32.0. I found out while trying to install update 5 that the first 4 had not. I did get some screenshots of the problem, but it was at night and too hard to see in those. I believe since the problem has not recurred it was a old version issue.

Thanks everyone for trying to help...


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