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#375665 - 04/09/06 06:42 AM FA-18F model?  
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I know this has been mentioned, both here and in TSH forums, but is anybody working on a 2-seater FA-18F?

Esp. with the retirement of the F-14?

If not, then I have only one thing to say to developers: Fleet Defender II! We've been waiting long enough baby!


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#375666 - 04/09/06 06:48 AM Re: FA-18F model?  
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Fonzie has tried this, it worked okay but it have some problems like animation parts (landing gears, flaps, etc) it didn't work: it didn't move or do anything.

I afraid that there will be no Fleet Defender II because the MicroProse, the company that made Fleet Defender, no longer exists.

#375667 - 04/09/06 09:57 AM Re: FA-18F model?  
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This is something that has been discussed by the TSH crew, but so far I'm not sure how much work has been done. Probably not a lot -- I think right now, they are still trying to determine if it can be done.

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#375668 - 04/09/06 07:38 PM Re: FA-18F model?  
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It can be done, but as Alex41 says, there won't be any moving parts. TSH's 3D editor, ZEdit, is currently not compatible with 3DG moving parts. I doubt TSH will pursue work on an F-18F 3D model until we can get moving parts and animation capability.

FYI, the ZEdit tool is available to the public and can be downloaded on the TSH website.

#375669 - 04/10/06 12:15 AM Re: FA-18F model?  
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Joe,

What's the allowable polygon limits in F18 for this to happen?

#375670 - 04/10/06 06:04 AM Re: FA-18F model?  
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I have no idea.

#375671 - 04/11/06 06:38 AM Re: FA-18F model?  
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Yes, well, are we gunning for perfection here? I know we want to get everything as accurate as possible. That's why we play these things. But I think I speak for a lot of us when I'd be willing to fly a Superbug-F with no outer working parts. I spend most of my time indoors flyin anyways-only check outside views occasionally.


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#375672 - 04/11/06 01:28 PM Re: FA-18F model?  
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If I remember correctly, I thought Fonzie had a Foxtrot into JF18?

#375673 - 04/11/06 07:37 PM Re: FA-18F model?  
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Quote:
Originally posted by iamfritz:
I think I speak for a lot of us when I'd be willing to fly a Superbug-F with no outer working parts.
Ah, but we are not talking about no outer animated parts. We are talking about no animated parts all. That means no moving switches, no moving buttons, no lights, etc. Like flying the TSHv1 F-14 or A-10, you have no feedback on the state of your cockpit and you must switch back to the F-18 cockpit often to check things.

#375674 - 04/12/06 05:32 AM Re: FA-18F model?  
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Quote:
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Quote:
Originally posted by iamfritz:
I think I speak for a lot of us when I'd be willing to fly a Superbug-F with no outer working parts.
Ah, but we are not talking about no outer animated parts. We are talking about no animated parts all. That means no moving switches, no moving buttons, no lights, etc. Like flying the TSHv1 F-14 or A-10, you have no feedback on the state of your cockpit and you must switch back to the F-18 cockpit often to check things.
when I was working on the model for the 18F briefly, i got the F into the game, but I couldn't get the gear or the hook to come down. Without those parts, the jet wouldn't "trap' on the boat, it just dribbled off the end. I'm not exactly sure how to add those parts, either, I think it's all tied in to the 3DG file format, but we don't really understand it enough to "make it all work" right now. So until either we get the source code, or someone is good enough to decipher that file format, we're stuck with no animations and no new carrier based aircraft...

-Fonz

#375675 - 04/12/06 05:52 AM Re: FA-18F model?  
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Hello,
It can be done to the existing model with moving parts when complete. How ? with a Hex editor.
I proved this when I removed the wing drop tanks form Janes F/A-18C model.

It is very time consuming because you have to hunt threw the hex to find the poly lines you want to move. The ZEdit program is perfect because it will help you target the areas you want to mod. Long ago I played with moving the canopy lines but lost intrest.

I used the same method to make a Mig-29 out of a SU-27 in Graphsims Percicion Strike fighter. see thread: http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=59;t=000403#000002

With some hex editing tweeks to the F/A-18 model you could make it look really nice. But I have other projects going right now. ;\)

Cheers !
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#375676 - 11/22/06 10:16 AM Re: FA-18F model?  
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Pretzel, are you still around here?

Can you give us a little help with the ZEDIT program? Are you saying that you can, in fact, use it and still keep the LOD/moving parts intact?

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#375677 - 11/23/06 11:56 AM Re: FA-18F model?  
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Sounds like this one won't work, what a bummer.

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#375678 - 11/27/06 09:09 AM Re: FA-18F model?  
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Hello Ripcord,
I will look at it this weekend.

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#375679 - 12/05/06 07:11 AM Re: FA-18F model?  
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#375680 - 12/05/06 01:57 PM Re: FA-18F model?  
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You know, if you could make a convertor that takes that bit of code and shows or highlights it in the 3dg file when open would be great. Then we would know what to alter.

#375681 - 12/05/06 02:56 PM Re: FA-18F model?  
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It is really very intersting development and looking sharp too. Without going too much into the details, it would be very interesting to share some findings on TSH.

I think there might be a practical way of combining partial Hex and 3D edits to make/change shapes of any plane based on the template of the most complex one (F18E.3DG).


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