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#3755180 - 03/21/13 11:05 PM MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21  
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Looks like patch is inbound now, details here, summary below:
http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/107088-hotfix-march-212013-missile-fix-and-server-downtime/

SERVER DOWNTIME: 4:00 PM PDT - 11 PM UDT
ESTIMATED DOWNTIME: 30 mins

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The Hotfix

What it addresses:
The insane amount of damage missiles started doing including splash damage and something weird that caused said splash damage to spike through the roof.

How it used to work:

(Note: I'm going to use the term 'secondary component' below but you can read it as 'a component that did not get hit directly but is taking splash damage')

All missiles used to have a 4.0m splash damage radius that took into account the percentage of the volume of secondary components engulfed in the radius.

With the advent of smaller/tighter component groupings on the smaller Mechs, an issue arose where too much splash damage was being spread across those Mechs. Basically it turned into a hot mess.

What does the hotfix do?
A number of things. First off, it reduces the splash damage radius from 4.0m (for both LRM/SRM) to 1.8m (LRM) and 1.3m (SRM/SSRM). This obviously reduces the amount of splash damage caused to secondary components.

Any location directly hit by a missile takes the full damage. Any secondary component hit by the splash damage radius takes splash damage based on how far the location is from the center of the explosion.

We also added a scaling factor of 0.4 to the amount of damage done to secondary components. From the impact point to the outer radius of splash damage, this factor of 0.4 drops linearly to 0.0. This means that if somehow magically the point of impact is so close to the secondary component, the maximum damage it would take from splash is WEAPON DAMAGE * 0.4 (that is 40% of weapon damage).

But Paul, you said you'd REMOVE splash damage!!!!
I know I did, but here's the kicker and yet another part of the mystery of missile damage. We tried removing splash damage and it did exactly what you think it was going to do. Pinpoint on target damage. Cool right? Yes... but...

Doing this exposed a problem with the grouping/clustering of missiles. We now have a high percentage of any incoming missile targeting the CT. This is BAD.

Now our primary concern as to what is happening on the live servers is to curtail the incredibly high damage levels of missiles/explosions. To make the missile explosions/damage feel like they should and to keep the damage spread across a Mech, we kept the above mentioned splash damage work along with the following damage changes to missiles:

LRMs drop from 1.8 damage per missile to 0.7 damage per missile.
SRMs drop from 2.5 damage per missile to 1.5 damage per missile.

DO NOT HIT REPLY TO FREAKOUT YET!

It is at these levels that missile combat falls back to a level that we AND the community felt was right for a long period of time before the badness appeared. I'm going to ask you to help us test these values by FEEL. Not by playing SpreadsheetWarrior.


Missiles are STILL a very big threat to the target but just aren't doing these chart topping damage numbers.

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS MESSAGE:
This is a TEMPORARY fix to quell the damage done by missiles at this time. We are fully investigating the damage model AND focusing on the grouping of missiles and will update as soon as we can on how any changes will be managed/implemented.


SERVER DOWNTIME: 4:00 PM PDT - 11 PM UDT
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#3755200 - 03/21/13 11:38 PM Re: MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21 [Re: kludger]  
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I love the part about assessing the changes by feel and not by playing "spreadsheet warrior" biggrin

Personally I could have lived with the insane missile damage just a little longer... (just long enough to finish Basic on my Cats and then get enough XP for Speed Tweak, to be exact biggrin )


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#3755203 - 03/21/13 11:47 PM Re: MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21 [Re: kludger]  
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"and something weird"

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Sounds good to me. Takes care of the splat cats too...which doesn't affect me, since I don't have one.


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#3755228 - 03/22/13 12:34 AM Re: MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21 [Re: kludger]  
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Heheh, yeah I did a couple of rounds now post hotfix and the LRMs still feel effective against anyone in the open, but not like raining death as before, feels pretty good to me thumbsup

Will be on later tonight for more "testing" biggrin


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#3755267 - 03/22/13 02:10 AM Re: MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21 [Re: kludger]  
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I'll be on in about 30 min.


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#3755656 - 03/22/13 05:49 PM Re: MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21 [Re: kludger]  
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Another patch today it looks like. Haven't looked to see what it is, but I hope it doesn't screw up the weapons. I like how they left them yesterday.

edit: we got the new thermal! Not sure about night.


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#3755675 - 03/22/13 06:04 PM Re: MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21 [Re: kludger]  
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I'm currently on TS3 if anyone wants to jump in.


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#3755701 - 03/22/13 06:41 PM Re: MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21 [Re: kludger]  
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I would, but I've got it up while doing some other things. Will if I can.
The thermal is really nice, and they did good on the distance. Night is very bright up close, but good at a distance.


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#3755772 - 03/22/13 08:20 PM Re: MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21 [Re: kludger]  
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I hope to be on early today... nice sale going on again, GXP conversion is on sale so I converted 70k for future use and unlocked Target Decay level 2...


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#3755800 - 03/22/13 09:38 PM Re: MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21 [Re: kludger]  
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The Fang and Flame are on sale too. Someone tell Mojo, stat!

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#3755823 - 03/22/13 10:06 PM Re: MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21 [Re: kludger]  
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Actually thinking about what medium to pick up, but since now there is the GXP conv sale, I think I will just work on gaining extra xp on an existing chassis to convert.

#3755998 - 03/23/13 04:08 AM Re: MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21 [Re: kludger]  
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Looks like they retracted the thermal and left the over-bright night vision. WTF? I thought the thermal looked great.


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The W/H FLIR was good, but not better than the current Thermal, in my opinion. But, apparently they added the vision modes by accident as they weren't supposed to be ready yet.


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#3756158 - 03/23/13 02:27 PM Re: MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21 [Re: kludger]  
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The problem with the current thermal is that it is TOO good, and I find myself staying most of the match in it. I think PGI realized this, and their intention is to change the modes so they are more balanced, and each serve a purpose. The post here explains it pretty well, and I like their reasoning on this one.

#3756283 - 03/23/13 05:58 PM Re: MWO Missile Hotfix Inbound 3/21 [Re: kludger]  
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Agreed, it's far too effective, letting you spot targets further than you can see with normal means. It's also not detailed enough, IMO. The new one looked great and worked within a reasonable distance, but without being ridiculous. I only use thermal to spot targets.


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I love the new thermal and NV. Was startign to really dislike the game as it amounted to snipe the blue blob... especially with new maps Alpine and Tourmaline.

LRM's needed the nerf. Was getting into games where over half of the enemy team (as well as mine) were LRM boats. It was getting pretty ridiculous.


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