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#3715632 - 01/11/13 12:28 AM New Russian nuclear sub 'safer than Kursk'  
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#3715638 - 01/11/13 12:37 AM Re: New Russian nuclear sub 'safer than Kursk' [Re: Hartford688]  
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How does 'an escape capsule' ensure the safety of 107 submariners? Particularly if they're trapped in one extreme of the boat as was the case with the Kursk.

#3715650 - 01/11/13 12:56 AM Re: New Russian nuclear sub 'safer than Kursk' [Re: Hartford688]  
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Well, that's reassuring, I guess.

#3715757 - 01/11/13 06:09 AM Re: New Russian nuclear sub 'safer than Kursk' [Re: Brun]  
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Originally Posted By: Brun
How does 'an escape capsule' ensure the safety of 107 submariners? Particularly if they're trapped in one extreme of the boat as was the case with the Kursk.



Wouldn't mind knowing that myself. Unless every part of the sub has access to it in some manner I don't see it being very effective.


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#3715763 - 01/11/13 06:34 AM Re: New Russian nuclear sub 'safer than Kursk' [Re: Hartford688]  
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While it's easy to joke about the Russian subs, one has to remember that although Kursk was launched in 92, the basic design dated from the late 70's. Escape methods are always somewhat open to what kind of damage the sub suffers, but one could expect that a new boat would indeed be safer than those designed decades ago...

#3716143 - 01/11/13 09:03 PM Re: New Russian nuclear sub 'safer than Kursk' [Re: Brun]  
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Originally Posted By: Brun
How does 'an escape capsule' ensure the safety of 107 submariners? Particularly if they're trapped in one extreme of the boat as was the case with the Kursk.



First of all the russians tend to design escape capsules to fit the entire crew, and secondly in a typical sinking scenario the boat will be flooding from outside damage and most of the crew should have time to make it to the control compartment. Kursk is kind of special in that an onboard torpedo exploded and set off several warheads in the torpedo room, killing almost everyone instantly except the guys in the back.

If these had been installed on US submarines, some 200 men wouldn't have had to perish aboard the Tresher and Scorpion.

#3716155 - 01/11/13 09:36 PM Re: New Russian nuclear sub 'safer than Kursk' [Re: Evil Flower]  
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Originally Posted By: Evil Flower
Originally Posted By: Brun
How does 'an escape capsule' ensure the safety of 107 submariners? Particularly if they're trapped in one extreme of the boat as was the case with the Kursk.



First of all the russians tend to design escape capsules to fit the entire crew, and secondly in a typical sinking scenario the boat will be flooding from outside damage and most of the crew should have time to make it to the control compartment. Kursk is kind of special in that an onboard torpedo exploded and set off several warheads in the torpedo room, killing almost everyone instantly except the guys in the back.

If these had been installed on US submarines, some 200 men wouldn't have had to perish aboard the Tresher and Scorpion.


Well, the Thresher, anyway. We still don't know *exactly* what happened aboard Scorpion. American subs tend to run with larger crews than their Russian counterparts... I wonder if this is one of the reasons why there's no provision for any kind of escape system onboard? Or could it just be part of Rickover's legacy concerning the infallibility of his boats?


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