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#3700728 - 12/17/12 03:53 PM Dear World, The Video Game blame Game needs to Stop.....  
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Dear Mis-Educated Population of Earth,

Stop Blaming Video Games for Mass Attacks.

No Video Game I've Ever Played had me walk into a school and attack innocent children and Adults...

And I've Played A LOT of Video Games from Atari 2600 to Xbox 360.

Knowing whats a Game and What's Reality is up to the User's Mental State. If they Cant tell, then they have a Mental Illness.



The Fact that Facebook Goers and New media are now blaming games for the Connecticut and China Attacks is just stupid, because the guy "LIKED" Mass Effect on Facebook.

Are You Serious?!?!?!


-No Game teaches you how to be emotionless,
-No Game teaches you where to buy weapons
-No Game teaches you how to effectively and realistically use them.

-No Game teaches you trigger control, breathing control, wind compensation, etc.

Pushing a "B" Button on a controller is not that same as actually doing it.



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#3700734 - 12/17/12 04:00 PM Re: Dear World, The Video Game blame Game needs to Stop..... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Your statement "No Game teaches you how to effectively and realistically use them"

Well, the CO and OR Shooters were both using AR-15s, both jammed, and both did not know how to properly 'clear the weapon'.


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#3700749 - 12/17/12 04:23 PM Re: Dear World, The Video Game blame Game needs to Stop..... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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#3700753 - 12/17/12 04:29 PM Re: Dear World, The Video Game blame Game needs to Stop..... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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People will blame video games because the majority needs clear cause and effect. No Facebook and you play Americas Army? You belong to psychiatric hospital.

#3700757 - 12/17/12 04:32 PM Re: Dear World, The Video Game blame Game needs to Stop..... [Re: ObvilionLost]  
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Originally Posted By: ObvilionLost
People will blame video games because the majority needs clear cause and effect.


Yup. Societies have a very hard time coming to grips with the fact that you can't have complete control over everything.


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#3700761 - 12/17/12 04:34 PM Re: Dear World, The Video Game blame Game needs to Stop..... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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if they are mimicking the games... they messed up, cause at no time do i get ammo when i ask for it in BF3.


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#3700771 - 12/17/12 04:45 PM Re: Dear World, The Video Game blame Game needs to Stop..... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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In my day television led to delinquency; in my parent's time it was the silver screen; probably in my ancient ancestor's time it was cave paintings that were blamed.



#3700788 - 12/17/12 05:02 PM Re: Dear World, The Video Game blame Game needs to Stop..... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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i thought they shifted blame for this generation to WiFi and IPhones?..............................


Let's blame Angry Birds.. hahaha


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#3700790 - 12/17/12 05:06 PM Re: Dear World, The Video Game blame Game needs to Stop..... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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As a parent, I do think there's something to it, but at the same time, so is the level of what's considered "decent" for primetime tv, commercials, billboards...
The amount of social decline that we've accepted over recent decades is ridiculous. Go back to even just the 80's and put one of those erection pill commercials on during the news at dinnertime. People would be outraged! Never mind the "his and hers" lubricants. LOL
The news and tv shows showcase overuse of foul language, disrespect for others, reenact rape, drug use, basic "dumb-assery" and, yes, all of it contributes to how our kids turn out. Parents are an influence, but they can't overcome all of society while participating in it.


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#3700796 - 12/17/12 05:18 PM Re: Dear World, The Video Game blame Game needs to Stop..... [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite
As a parent, I do think there's something to it, but at the same time, so is the level of what's considered "decent" for primetime tv, commercials, billboards...
The amount of social decline that we've accepted over recent decades is ridiculous. Go back to even just the 80's and put one of those erection pill commercials on during the news at dinnertime. People would be outraged! Never mind the "his and hers" lubricants. LOL
The news and tv shows showcase overuse of foul language, disrespect for others, reenact rape, drug use, basic "dumb-assery" and, yes, all of it contributes to how our kids turn out. Parents are an influence, but they can't overcome all of society while participating in it.
Based on this argument there should be a lot more mass shootings in Europe since European countries in general are a lot more open and blatant with how sex is portrayed in public. I personally don't buy this argument.


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#3700804 - 12/17/12 05:28 PM Re: Dear World, The Video Game blame Game needs to Stop..... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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I totally agree, someone on FB trick to blame violent movies and games. I replied back that I've played these games and allow both of my young boys to play & watch "some" of the games and movies. No R movies and even some PG-13 I won't allow and they can't even watch GTA. But they both know it's not real.

Their mother and I both get commented on weekly of the manner's of our boys. Just last week my 11 yr old went to see the nurse for his eye. The next day the nurse called to check on him, but also to comment on how polite he was. She even stated people are so quick to cut down kids but never to acknowledge what they do right.

I don't like guns nor do I allow real guns in my house. I've never had an urge to hurt any other human being or animal playing these games...

IMO, it's lack of parenting that are a big cause of these kids acting up...


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I wonder if it's not possible to "refine" ones tastes through media consumption.


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#3700807 - 12/17/12 05:31 PM Re: Dear World, The Video Game blame Game needs to Stop..... [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite
As a parent, I do think there's something to it, but at the same time, so is the level of what's considered "decent" for primetime tv, commercials, billboards...
The amount of social decline that we've accepted over recent decades is ridiculous. Go back to even just the 80's and put one of those erection pill commercials on during the news at dinnertime. People would be outraged! Never mind the "his and hers" lubricants. LOL
The news and tv shows showcase overuse of foul language, disrespect for others, reenact rape, drug use, basic "dumb-assery" and, yes, all of it contributes to how our kids turn out. Parents are an influence, but they can't overcome all of society while participating in it.
Based on this argument there should be a lot more mass shootings in Europe since European countries in general are a lot more open and blatant with how sex is portrayed in public. I personally don't buy this argument.


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#3700814 - 12/17/12 05:41 PM Re: Dear World, The Video Game blame Game needs to Stop..... [Re: SkateZilla]  
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I've also seen reports where they labelled him as "goth." This needs to stop too. Just because he was wearing all black does not make him goth. And if he did, it doesn't mean he's going to go on a gun-toting rampage. I've seen photos of him and tehre is nothing abot him that looks goth. If anything he looks emo, and even that is in the same quagmire as the goth label which is--no one really knows what that is anymore. In the same way that nobody really knows what "alternative music" is anymore. Is it alternative music, or is it pop? Because pop means popular and if alternative is popular doesn't that make it pop?

To be honest, there really aren't many "goths" left. People who say they are goth viewed by goths from say the 70s or 80s would laugh at them. In the same reports it was reported that he walked around with a briefcase and a trenchcoat...that makes him goth too? So I guess alot of businessmen these days are goth too then.

I'm tired of the media sensationalizing things through labels. I know alot of "goths" who are the nicest people in the world and would never do such a thing. I'm sure there are "normals" that probably would. In short stop friggin judging the book by its cover. Are goths eccentric? Sure they can be. But a down-home boy could be also but if he went on a tirade, you wouldn't see reports saying "he was an eccentric redneck" or anything like that.

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We don't have a gun problem. We have a people problem.

People problems involve much harder questions to ask and the answers are often not what we want to hear.

We refuse to address the internal, so we focus on the external.


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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite
As a parent, I do think there's something to it, but at the same time, so is the level of what's considered "decent" for primetime tv, commercials, billboards...
The amount of social decline that we've accepted over recent decades is ridiculous. Go back to even just the 80's and put one of those erection pill commercials on during the news at dinnertime. People would be outraged! Never mind the "his and hers" lubricants. LOL
The news and tv shows showcase overuse of foul language, disrespect for others, reenact rape, drug use, basic "dumb-assery" and, yes, all of it contributes to how our kids turn out. Parents are an influence, but they can't overcome all of society while participating in it.
Based on this argument there should be a lot more mass shootings in Europe since European countries in general are a lot more open and blatant with how sex is portrayed in public. I personally don't buy this argument.



I'll let you subject your own kids to adult nudity at an early age to test. Not mine. wink Kids these days are over-sexualized at an early age, and we all pay for it with teen pregnancies. The same can come from violence and becoming desensitized to it. I'm not blaming video games, I let my kids play them (the ones I approve), but I do think that's one piece of the puzzle. One I question myself about all the time. Did I screw up? It's not nearly the influence that growing up in a violent neighborhood, where kids are just used to people getting shot, carrying guns, fighting, drugs etc, but it's still an influence to a certain degree.
Now, the real question is: what can one particular kid tolerate? What one kid can brush off as nothing can mean something totally different to another kid that's more susceptible. That's the kind of thing non-parents, and even parents of kids without "hurdles" to surmount don't seem to get.
Does it mean video games are bad? No. Does it mean they aren't an influence? No. That's what's hard about parenting, especially when you have a kid with issues. You just don't always know.



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I think ultra violent games if exposed at a young age can lead to desensitization. But that alone is still very far from causing any kind of violent behavior. Parenting is a huge factor as is mental health. You can couple any perceived influence with someone who is disturbed (whether that influence is popular media, religion, literature) and they will take it to an extreme level which only they understand.

People need labels when something like this happens, they also need to see a clear cause in order to make sense of such senselessness. Movies, books, music, video games.. They are easy to promote as the cause, because they are simple to understand. No one wants to address the lack of parenting, lack of mental healthcare, the fact that in many cases these individuals are ignored by society...yet post incident..everyone says..."well all the signs were there"..and they are right..they were..but nobody did anything to address it...parent included.


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Originally Posted By: PFunk
We don't have a gun problem. We have a people problem.

People problems involve much harder questions to ask and the answers are often not what we want to hear.

We refuse to address the internal, so we focus on the external.


+1


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Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite
As a parent, I do think there's something to it, but at the same time, so is the level of what's considered "decent" for primetime tv, commercials, billboards...
The amount of social decline that we've accepted over recent decades is ridiculous. Go back to even just the 80's and put one of those erection pill commercials on during the news at dinnertime. People would be outraged! Never mind the "his and hers" lubricants. LOL
The news and tv shows showcase overuse of foul language, disrespect for others, reenact rape, drug use, basic "dumb-assery" and, yes, all of it contributes to how our kids turn out. Parents are an influence, but they can't overcome all of society while participating in it.


Violent crime rate is actually on the decline- so the correlation is that these things keep society safer. More Viagra commercials and more anti-social behavior on TV and more drug use and more basic tomfoolery keeps society safer. If not, if it is counter-intuitive, then there is at best a very weak connection here. Japan has some of the most violent television content accepted for children, and far less of these incidents.


Michael Moore raised the same question in Bowling for Columbine and left the question open and unanswered: if these things are the root cause, why don't other societies exposed to the same issues experience the same problems at the same rate?

First, cause and effect is more people's imagination at work rather than a scientific answer. There's nothing at all substantive to say sexualized or violent television has made people more violent- the most violent Century on record, the 20th Century, has had little to do with television in and of itself, except the means to transmit political messages to the masses.

Second, you may never really know. All these things may point to a syndrome, not any one component has much at all to do with anything, when combined, and then mixed with other things that you didn't include in your list. It may be a case of art imitating life vs. life imitating art, these things may just be a reflection of society rather than the causes of it.


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Originally Posted By: Raw Kryptonite


Kids these days are over-sexualized at an early age, and we all pay for it with teen pregnancies. The same can come from violence and becoming desensitized to it. I'm not blaming video games, I let my kids play them (the ones I approve), but I do think that's one piece of the puzzle. One I question myself about all the time. Did I screw up? It's not nearly the influence that growing up in a violent neighborhood, where kids are just used to people getting shot, carrying guns, fighting, drugs etc, but it's still an influence to a certain degree.
Now, the real question is: what can one particular kid tolerate? What one kid can brush off as nothing can mean something totally different to another kid that's more susceptible. That's the kind of thing non-parents, and even parents of kids without "hurdles" to surmount don't seem to get.
Does it mean video games are bad? No. Does it mean they aren't an influence? No. That's what's hard about parenting, especially when you have a kid with issues. You just don't always know.

There have to be many other factors at work here because everything you described in your posts exists in many other countries yet their rate of homicide by firearm is a lot less than in the US. Why is that? Are Americans just inherently more violent? I don't believe that.


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