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#3676449 - 11/06/12 03:51 PM Halberstadt D.II was the first german plane....  
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in which they tested early (experimental) radio comm system and wing-mounted rockets: cool

Believed to have been first tried within the first six months of 1916, future German rocketry pioneer Leutnant Rudolf Nebel, then flying as a fighter pilot with Jasta 5, one of the earliest German fighter squadrons within the Luftstreitkräfte, used a Halberstadt D.II aircraft of that unit in the first known German attempt at arming an aircraft with wing-mounted rockets as long range armament. Leutnant Nebel used a set of four improvised tubular launchers, two mounted per side on the wings, with a signal rocket being fired from each tube for the unofficial trial. According to Leutnant Nebel's apparently "undated" account, he took off on a defensive mission when 25 Allied aircraft appeared in the air near Jasta 5's base. He managed to fire his improvised rocket armament at a distance of 100 m (330 ft) from the Allied fighter formation, in a "head-on" attack at it and scared one British pilot into surrendering as the British aircraft landed safely in German territory, with Leutnant Nebel landing no more than 20 m (70 ft) away, to ensure the British pilot's capture. Just over a week later, Leutnant Nebel attempted to try his improvised rocket armament again and managed to blow the propeller off an Allied aircraft, causing it to crash land.[5]
In mid-October 1916, another attempt was made to arm a Halberstadt D.II with rockets, this time for observation balloon attacks with a more formalized method, using eight Le Prieur-like rockets mounted on the outer wing struts, the way that the French Nieuport 11 had been armed nearly a year earlier. Problems with the ignition system on the rockets prevented the system from being experimented with any further.[6]
In late 1916, the Halberstadt D.II was the first known aeroplane for an official trial, with a special unit named the FT-Versuchsabteilung (Radio Telegraphy Experimental Detachment), with the "FT" possibly meaning Funk-Telegraphie, of air communications using radio communications (via Morse Code) in directing fighter aircraft. IdFlieg sanctioned the test, which resulted in the creation of a radio-telegraphy transceiver for the flight leader's aircraft, weighing 25–30 kg (55-60 lb) along with the battery, aircraft engine-driven generator and aerials. Receiving gear for the other aircraft in a combat formation was similarly devised, with the radio receiver weighing 12.5–15 kg (27.5-33 lb). By early 1917, the FT-Versuchsabteilung was making combat trials with the radio gear with Halberstadt D.III and D.V aircraft and by late September 1917 with the famous Jagdgeschwader I unit commanded by Manfred von Richthofen, especially Jasta 4. Later trials using the more advanced Albatros D.III and Albatros D.Va fighters used the gear for the first attempts at an air-based version of ground-controlled interception of Allied bomber aircraft, using visual ground spotters as the ground component by the home defense Kampfeinsitzerstaffel units.[7]

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#3676775 - 11/06/12 10:30 PM Re: Halberstadt D.II was the first german plane.... [Re: Tvrdi]  
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#3676846 - 11/07/12 12:42 AM Re: Halberstadt D.II was the first german plane.... [Re: Tvrdi]  
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Really awesome info!


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#3682965 - 11/16/12 02:29 AM Re: Halberstadt D.II was the first german plane.... [Re: Tvrdi]  
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When one quotes from sources, it is usual to provide the source as a citation.

Look like captured Le Prieur rockets to me, or simply copies. There are many examples of the Germans simply reverse engineering Entente technology, and nothing wrong with that BTW... It was war after all.


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#3683508 - 11/16/12 11:46 PM Re: Halberstadt D.II was the first german plane.... [Re: Tvrdi]  
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Where the h e double toothpicks do you guys come up with this info!!!!!

I bow to your ability to find these things!!!! cheers

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#3683613 - 11/17/12 02:54 AM Re: Halberstadt D.II was the first german plane.... [Re: Tvrdi]  
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I think the first quote is from the Wikipedia.

...and.... wink
http://www.flyingmachines.ru/

You'll have to go further afield than that is you want Austrio-Hungarian info though...

#3683648 - 11/17/12 04:53 AM Re: Halberstadt D.II was the first german plane.... [Re: Tvrdi]  
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Hmm... Where DO you go for Austro-Hungarian stuff? The Aviatik-Berg C.I, Phoenix C.I and UFAG C.I are my favorite WWI two-seaters...

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#3687584 - 11/24/12 09:51 AM Re: Halberstadt D.II was the first german plane.... [Re: Tvrdi]  
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I can hardly wait to see the damage model for that rudder! biggrin

Just me, or does the pilot seem to be sitting too high in the seat?


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#3687913 - 11/25/12 12:44 AM Re: Halberstadt D.II was the first german plane.... [Re: Tvrdi]  
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Richthofen himself said the pilot's line of sight was too high in the D.II, as it was set level with the upper wing, so it looks to be right.

#3687994 - 11/25/12 05:09 AM Re: Halberstadt D.II was the first german plane.... [Re: Tvrdi]  
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I'd be rather curious to know the outcome of those early rocket experiments as the British tried them only to set balloons afire, because the incendiary ammo available then was too dangerous to the aircraft pilot as the ammo self ignited from engine heat. From what I've read the Germans used ammo canisters outside of the fusilage

Problem they experienced was that the rocket once fired might set their aircraft or their wingman's craft ablaze.

By 1917 the incendiary ammo became more user friendly, and the Prius Rocket vanished never to be seen again

The most effective balloon medicine was an upper wing mounted Lewis Gun, as that could reliably fire the incendiary ammo always


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#3687999 - 11/25/12 05:34 AM Re: Halberstadt D.II was the first german plane.... [Re: fafnir_6]  
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Originally Posted By: fafnir_6
Hmm... Where DO you go for Austro-Hungarian stuff? The Aviatik-Berg C.I, Phoenix C.I and UFAG C.I are my favorite WWI two-seaters...

Cheers,

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This is all illustrations not pictures but it's a fairly varied website
http://www.wwiaviation.com/
Enter by clicking on the pilot's heads

They've also got some Austro-Hungarian Stuff


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#3689515 - 11/28/12 02:33 AM Re: Halberstadt D.II was the first german plane.... [Re: Tvrdi]  
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Good site for the flying boats:
http://www.kuk-kriegsmarine.at/

Most information is very fragmentary (in English) - although lots of resources exist elsewhere.

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I was a little bit surprised to see models of two WWI planes hanging on display at San Francisco International Airport.

The Be2c.

And the Halberstadt DII.

Rather odd considering how obscure those two models are (to the layman).


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